Oct. 12, 2026
Solo Podcasting vs. Podcasting With a Team – PCI 486
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Should you run your podcast completely on your own, or is it better to have a team behind the show?
In this episode of Podcast Insider, MacKenzie Bennett and Dave Clements compare their experiences producing podcasts solo and as part of a team. Both approaches have advantages, and the right choice often depends on your personality, your skills, and the type of podcast you’re creating.
MacKenzie shares what it was like taking on nearly every part of Podcast Insider—formerly the PowerPress Podcast—when she first started hosting the show, from finding guests and recording to editing and writing show notes. Dave talks about starting with a solo podcast before working on larger productions and why having other people around can make conversations easier and keep a show on track.
They also discuss one of the realities of solo podcasting: if there’s something you don’t know how to do, you either have to learn it or find another solution. That can be challenging, but it can also be one of the best ways to develop your skills as a podcaster.
For podcasts with multiple people behind the scenes, organization and communication become especially important. Clearly deciding who handles editing, planning, creative decisions and other responsibilities can make the process much smoother—and help avoid having too many cooks in the kitchen.
In this episode:
- The advantages and disadvantages of podcasting solo
- Why doing everything yourself can make you a better podcaster
- Learning podcast editing, production and other skills as you go
- Why new podcasters shouldn’t expect their first episodes to be perfect
- The benefits of having co-hosts or teammates to bounce ideas off
- How larger podcast teams can create more complicated decision-making
- Why planning topics ahead of time helps keep a show organized
- The importance of communication and clearly defined responsibilities
- Whether your podcast needs a designated leader or a more collaborative structure
- Choosing a podcast format that fits the way you naturally communicate
- Why you can always change your setup if solo podcasting—or working with a team—isn’t working
There isn’t one perfect way to produce a podcast. Some creators thrive when they have complete control over every decision, while others do their best work when they have someone else in the conversation or a team handling different parts of production.
The important part is finding the setup that helps you keep creating. And if it isn’t working? Change it. As the Podcast Insider team likes to say, there are no rules in podcasting—just best practices.
Thanks for Listening
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- Welcome to Podcast Insider. I'm your host, Mackenzie
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- Bennett, here with Dave Clemons from the Blueberry
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- Hey. Hey.
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- Hello. We are missing Mike Dell also from
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- support and operations today. He is at Podcast
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- Movement,
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- because, you know, we... We're recording these episodes
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- It's making our lives much, much easier. So
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- doing a podcast solo and doing a podcast
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- with a team. We've both been on,
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- the either side of the coin... The the
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- coin here. So we'll see.
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- We'll see what we have to say.
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- I guess my first question for you, Mackenzie,
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- is do you prefer to have a team,
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- I think it's been more enjoyable,
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- to do it with a team.
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- That is just not how my brain works.
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- exactly what it is that they want to
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- get out by themselves
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- in more of a
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- monologue. And then there are the people who
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- could have
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- wonderful,
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- diverse,
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- well thought out ideas about a topic,
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- but can't seem to get them out of
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- their head
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- into a podcast, like, into a microphone without
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- someone else there with them. And there's, you
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- know, there's nothing wrong with that. I think
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- there's a lot of people who maybe are
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- doing...
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- could be so much better with with someone
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- else there or people who are just like,
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- why am I talking to this person? I
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- feel like I'm
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- not
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- thoroughly enjoying this,
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- when I Now the truth is out. You
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- could just say it, Mackenzie. Jeez.
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- I'm fired. Like, what would I do as
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- a podcast by myself? I don't even know
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- what I would talk about.
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- Yeah. Well,
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- if you if you look through my Blueberry
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- account, you can see all of the different
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- ideas I've come up with and decided not
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- to do by myself.
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- Yes.
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- Honestly, looking at, like, how many that,
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- how many ideas you and Mike and...
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- Have had and other people on the team
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- have had before where they're like, I wanna
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- do a podcast about this. And I'm like,
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- whatever happened with that? And you guys are
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- like, nothing.
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- Nothing. But you thought about it, and there's
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- nothing wrong with that.
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- Yeah.
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- Yeah. So...
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- So... Yeah. I mean,
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- to to kinda put a bow on this,
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- like,
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- you can either do all the work yourself
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- and
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- either get really, really good at a lot
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- of things or just okay at a lot
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- of things. Or you can work with a
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- team and just,
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- you know, be diverse. Like, McKinsey said, like,
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- you have a little garage band going on,
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- and you figure out who's playing what instrument
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- and who's the best at which instrument, and
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- you just go from there.
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- I don't know. The longer we do podcast
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- insider, I'm like, dude, I don't know how
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- much of a lead singer I am. Like,
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- can I just go back here and play
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- bass? Because that... I can do that okay.
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- K.
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- You... I think you bring a lot of
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- value to the show, one, in your opinions.
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- you are doing editing, which
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- is not an easy task.
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- That is not an easy part of
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- the show.
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- So That's what that's what people say, and
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- I just don't get it. So I don't
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- wanna be, like, just a genius or something.
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- You know, it's I'm kidding.
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- It's very much,
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- if you're not doing it,
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- I'm certainly not gonna find the time, which
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- means Mike would be doing it.
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- And Mike doesn't really want to do it.
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- So
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- that's that's the thing. You know? Whenever you
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- have a team, it is
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- very, very nice to know that you have
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- reliable coworkers and human beings in your life
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- that that are there for you when you're
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- doing your show. Because a podcast can be
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- stressful. If if you've got, like, you know,
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- a good setup, it's probably gonna be less
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- stressful. But some people thrive on stress. I'm
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- not one of them, but some people love
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- it.
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- So pick your,
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- pick your lane. There's no
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- perfect one
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- for people,
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- you know, for for every podcast.
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- But
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- give it a try. You're never gonna know
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- unless you try. I think that's my biggest
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- thing with podcasting.
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- Yeah. And you can always change it,
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- to quote Mike, because he's not here. There
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- are no rules in podcasting, just,
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- best practices.
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- So... And this is not one of those.
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- Just do what feels good and bring on
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- a co host if you don't have one
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- and you want one. And if you have
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- one and you don't want one,
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- get rid of them.
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- Yeah. Heavy on the get rid of them
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- if you don't want them anymore.
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- Right.
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- Yeah.
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- Alright.
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- That's, I think that's our episode of Podcast
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- Insider today. So thanks everyone for listening, and
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- Welcome to Podcast Insider. I'm your host, Mackenzie
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- Bennett, here with Dave Clemons from the Blueberry
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- we'll just do what you want. And then
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- I would do what I want. And then
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- they'd be like, oh, maybe that's not what
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- we want.
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- So, like,
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- literally have team meetings. Like, that is always...
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- I have found that to be productive in
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- those bigger
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- bigger meetings.
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- And just let everybody
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- give their opinions. You can vote on them.
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- Figure that out.
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- You gotta be kinda democratic about it, I
429
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- guess. I I think that answers your question
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- in the longest way possible.
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- It does
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- bring up the idea
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- of some some groups of people are gonna
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- do better when there is a quote, unquote
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- designated leader at the helm. Mhmm. And some
436
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- are gonna be
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- more
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- traditionally,
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- you know, okay. Each person does this type
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- of thing or
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- each person's
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- opinion has value or something like that. I
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- think for,
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- you know, for the big
445
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- celebrity shows that we're all used to nowadays
446
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- or coming from,
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- a news outlet or something like that, there
448
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- is a producer there. There's the host of
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- the show. And if they are celebrity, then
450
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- they are typically the, the be all end
451
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- all decision maker
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- Mhmm. Because they're the one making money or
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- the network.
454
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- It goes... You know, there is a hierarchy
455
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- there.
456
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- Sometimes that works for people. Sometimes
457
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- people that are doing this
458
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- as a hobby are like, okay. Great. I
459
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- I happily wanna do this, but also, like,
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- I don't want the stress of making these
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- decisions in, like, our friend group,
462
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- all on my own.
463
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- And then there's just different dynamics between people
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- where it's like, no. We're we're gonna easily
465
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- be able to come to a consensus and
466
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- be fine.
467
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- Kinda similar to, like, a garage band.
468
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- Yeah.
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- You know? Like,
470
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- some of it's gonna be, oh, okay. So
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- and so is lead singer and lead guitarist,
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- and they're just... They are the leader, and
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- and we follow because we want to be
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- successful.
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- And then there are the bands that it's
476
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- like, no. We are gonna have a decision
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- and talk about this type of thing.
478
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- Yeah. I... I've... Yeah. My show was kind
479
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- of like, oh, there's multiple lead singers.
480
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- How are we doing this?
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- So... Yeah.
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- Yeah.
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- I I think a lot of it is
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- just... Again, it's organization, but it's also communication.
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- If you are a big production, you can
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- just be like, okay, this is the person.
487
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- But when you're, you know, more independent and
488
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- you kind of just answer to your team,
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- yeah, you you definitely have to, like,
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- take the time to work that out. Definitely
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- do that first.
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- Solo, you can do whatever you want. Nobody's
493
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- gonna argue with you. Your fans
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- and your audience, like, they might give some
495
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- feedback, and they're like, don't ever do this
496
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- again. But Yeah. Those are pretty few and
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- far between.
498
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- So,
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- good and bad. You know? Like, I I
500
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- don't like doing solo shows because sometimes I
501
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- get just a little lonely where I'm just
502
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- like, boy, this is really sad.
503
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- I'm I'm almost 40 years old, and I'm
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- talking about comic book movies. And
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- they're
506
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- cool, but I feel like a big dork
507
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- sitting in my office all by my lonesome
508
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- Yeah. Talking
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- about these things even though I absolutely love
510
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- them and don't really care what people think.
511
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- Yeah.
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- There's there's some people who are so
513
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- so,
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- good at articulating
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- exactly what it is that they want to
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- get out by themselves
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- in more of a
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- monologue. And then there are the people who
519
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- could have
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- wonderful,
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- diverse,
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- well thought out ideas about a topic,
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- but can't seem to get them out of
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- their head
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- into a podcast, like, into a microphone without
526
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- someone else there with them. And there's, you
527
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- know, there's nothing wrong with that. I think
528
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- there's a lot of people who maybe are
529
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- doing...
530
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- May be stuck doing a solo show that
531
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- could be so much better with with someone
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- else there or people who are just like,
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- why am I talking to this person? I
534
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- feel like I'm
535
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- not
536
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- thoroughly enjoying this,
537
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- when I Now the truth is out. You
538
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- could just say it, Mackenzie. Jeez.
539
00:19:22.650 --> 00:19:24.170
- I'm fired. Like, what would I do as
540
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- a podcast by myself? I don't even know
541
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- what I would talk about.
542
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- Yeah. Well,
543
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- if you if you look through my Blueberry
544
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- account, you can see all of the different
545
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- ideas I've come up with and decided not
546
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- to do by myself.
547
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- Yes.
548
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- Honestly, looking at, like, how many that,
549
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- how many ideas you and Mike and...
550
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- Have had and other people on the team
551
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- have had before where they're like, I wanna
552
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- do a podcast about this. And I'm like,
553
00:19:49.765 --> 00:19:51.285
- whatever happened with that? And you guys are
554
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- like, nothing.
555
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- Nothing. But you thought about it, and there's
556
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- nothing wrong with that.
557
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- Yeah.
558
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- Yeah. So...
559
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- So... Yeah. I mean,
560
00:20:03.029 --> 00:20:04.789
- to to kinda put a bow on this,
561
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- like,
562
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- you can either do all the work yourself
563
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- and
564
00:20:09.755 --> 00:20:11.835
- either get really, really good at a lot
565
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- of things or just okay at a lot
566
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- of things. Or you can work with a
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- team and just,
568
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- you know, be diverse. Like, McKinsey said, like,
569
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- you have a little garage band going on,
570
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- and you figure out who's playing what instrument
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- and who's the best at which instrument, and
572
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- you just go from there.
573
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- I don't know. The longer we do podcast
574
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- insider, I'm like, dude, I don't know how
575
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- much of a lead singer I am. Like,
576
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- can I just go back here and play
577
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- bass? Because that... I can do that okay.
578
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- K.
579
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- You... I think you bring a lot of
580
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- value to the show, one, in your opinions.
581
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- But two,
582
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- you are doing editing, which
583
00:20:50.339 --> 00:20:51.960
- is not an easy task.
584
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- That is not an easy part of
585
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- the show.
586
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- So That's what that's what people say, and
587
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- I just don't get it. So I don't
588
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- wanna be, like, just a genius or something.
589
00:21:02.934 --> 00:21:04.335
- You know, it's I'm kidding.
590
00:21:04.775 --> 00:21:05.654
- It's very much,
591
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- if you're not doing it,
592
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- I'm certainly not gonna find the time, which
593
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- means Mike would be doing it.
594
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- And Mike doesn't really want to do it.
595
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- So
596
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- that's that's the thing. You know? Whenever you
597
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- have a team, it is
598
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- very, very nice to know that you have
599
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- reliable coworkers and human beings in your life
600
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- that that are there for you when you're
601
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- doing your show. Because a podcast can be
602
00:21:33.244 --> 00:21:36.205
- stressful. If if you've got, like, you know,
603
00:21:36.205 --> 00:21:38.365
- a good setup, it's probably gonna be less
604
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- stressful. But some people thrive on stress. I'm
605
00:21:41.325 --> 00:21:43.725
- not one of them, but some people love
606
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- it.
607
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- So pick your,
608
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- pick your lane. There's no
609
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- perfect one
610
00:21:53.409 --> 00:21:54.149
- for people,
611
00:21:54.529 --> 00:21:56.230
- you know, for for every podcast.
612
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- But
613
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- give it a try. You're never gonna know
614
00:22:01.445 --> 00:22:02.965
- unless you try. I think that's my biggest
615
00:22:02.965 --> 00:22:03.785
- thing with podcasting.
616
00:22:04.404 --> 00:22:06.184
- Yeah. And you can always change it,
617
00:22:06.725 --> 00:22:08.485
- to quote Mike, because he's not here. There
618
00:22:08.485 --> 00:22:10.744
- are no rules in podcasting, just,
619
00:22:11.765 --> 00:22:12.505
- best practices.
620
00:22:13.019 --> 00:22:14.460
- So... And this is not one of those.
621
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- Just do what feels good and bring on
622
00:22:16.700 --> 00:22:18.619
- a co host if you don't have one
623
00:22:18.619 --> 00:22:20.460
- and you want one. And if you have
624
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- one and you don't want one,
625
00:22:22.539 --> 00:22:23.519
- get rid of them.
626
00:22:25.195 --> 00:22:26.634
- Yeah. Heavy on the get rid of them
627
00:22:26.634 --> 00:22:27.934
- if you don't want them anymore.
628
00:22:28.795 --> 00:22:29.295
- Right.
629
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- Yeah.
630
00:22:31.755 --> 00:22:32.255
- Alright.
631
00:22:33.674 --> 00:22:35.755
- That's, I think that's our episode of Podcast
632
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- Insider today. So thanks everyone for listening, and
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- we'll catch you next episode.