Podcasting Endings and Beginnings – PCI 316

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Hey everyone,

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welcome to the October 13th,
2022 edition of the podcast

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Insider. And of course, Mike,

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thanks for holding the Ford up
while I've been out a few weeks.

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Yeah, no worries. Uh,

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Mackenzie did an admirable
job filling in for you, so.

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Well, awesome. Well, here we
are in PCI three 16 and, uh,

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without a little bit of technical
difficulty as normal, but, uh,

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we've got some news for you. Got a best
practice. We got some blueberry news.

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Uh, actually a little bit of sad blueberry
news. We've got a blueberry pro tip.

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We have a question of the week.

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Well, lots of things happening in
the national podcasting space, Mike,

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all kinds of weirdness going on with
companies, and I think some of it is, uh,

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economy related, but we'll talk a
little bit about that a little deeper,

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but serious. Uh, they're
opening a new studio in Miami.

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Yeah. And from the rendering
I see on that article, uh,

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that's quite the building ,

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so I'm sure it's for the radio network
and their podcast stuff as well.

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So.

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Any word if it's gonna be
Latin focused or what's the,

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what's any,

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anything that they've said
that the purposes of them
having the studio in Miami?

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No, they just, uh, right now they have
one in, uh, West Hollywood. They have,

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uh, New York Rockefeller Center and, uh,

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and one in Nashville and one in
dc and they're just adding yet

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another one for Miami.

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All right. So.

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Just who's gonna get their network of
stuff, uh, out there? Uh, you know,

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closer to people, I guess.

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Yeah, I guess. Interesting.

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I wonder why people just don't
record in their home studios. It's,

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you think that would be the thing,
But I guess that's the new world.

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We live in Spotify, though. They've
canceled 10 original shows, and,

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uh, folks from Gimlet and pcast
were just Summer really said, Okay,

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you're gone. And I think
it was 22, I don't know,

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22 employees or something like
that, or 20%, or was a gave number.

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Gave an hour to, to get out.

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So,

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and there's been lots of people saying
that it was really Spotify's fault

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because they made the
shows go exclusive. Mm-hmm.

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cut their audience by
75%, which makes big sense because,

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you know, most people are
listening to podcasts today,

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the least blueberry podcasters.

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There's a very small percentage
that listen on Spotify.

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So to take them to Spotify,

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and I'm assuming you've had to
have a Spotify account to listen to

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those shows. Yeah. Um, it just
makes sense. So it's interesting,

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one of their other properties
that does not limit where the,

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the shows are listened to. In other words,

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they're available on all those
other platforms. Uh, those were,

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none of those shows were canceled because
the numbers were good. So, you know,

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Spotify, in my opinion,

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and this is the rumor going around
the podcasting space right now,

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they,

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they're kind of falling out of favor and
all these shows that think it's a great

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deal to go to Spotify, well, you know,

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cash the check and be happy because
your audience, uh, may not be happy.

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Yeah. And you know, like I said,
they, they canceled these 10 shows,

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uh, but they did it, you know,
because of, you know, slow growth or,

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uh, bad audience, whatever, you know,
bad audience numbers and, you know,

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if they're not gonna, you know,
flinging it fire and wide Right.

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Get on every everywhere else,
it obviously isn't working. Um.

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No, it's not. Have you spent
all this money? That's.

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Our shows too, you know?

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Yeah. So, you know, it's, uh, grass is
not always greener on the other side. We,

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you know, we find that out all the time.

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We have customers that leave us to
go to a platform that has said, Oh,

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we're going to make you
rich. And in the end, uh,

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a month later or six weeks later, two
months later, like, Hey, we're, we're,

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we're coming back. Yeah. So, you know, a.

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Couple of them there, uh, they'll call
me and say, Well, yeah, hate to do it,

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but I gotta move for this
sad deal, blah, blah, blah.

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And then I always tell'em, I said,
Well, you'll be back, so when you are,

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I'll be here.

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. Yeah. And, and we
know the specific companies.
Yeah. A matter of fact,

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one of the companies that we lose
podcasters to once in a while,

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just cut a whole bunch of people because
they have to be profitable. Yeah.

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Because they're not profitable.

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So if you don't have a business
that's profitable, what,

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that just blows me away. The
days of free money is gone.

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You have to have a business that is, you
know, sustainable. So time will tell.

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So there's also, uh,

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some news and tips and advice from
the Publishers' Podcasting Summit.

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So what's the skinny on that?

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Yeah, they, they did, uh, some
sort of summit. I, I don't know,

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Mackenzie threw this in here, but it
basically gives you a bunch of, uh,

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tips of, uh, how to be a successful
podcaster. You know, like energy, passion,

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authenticity, you know, finding a
different angle, listen to your audience,

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keeping it fresh, and, uh,
keeping it going, you know,

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as far as growth and, uh, you know,
just making, Yeah. The publisher Summit.

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Yeah. I wonder about this.

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. So, so there's a big
event coming up in, in New York,

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right. And it's, it's called
the, and this is what I was,

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it's called the Podcast Futures. That's
something that's happened next week.

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So if any of you listeners are
in, uh, New York City area,

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the event is helping happening
in conjunction with N A B.

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And the organizer over there, email,
and he said, Podcast features,

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brings together the
business of podcasting,

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exploring ideas around discoverability,
Gen Z and insertion networks,

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listener habits, and even how the
car connects into the rural podcast.

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And now that's a different event
than what we just referred to. Yeah.

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The event that I referred to, uh,

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in the story there is the Publisher
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oh, about a week ago.

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So I'll, I'll copy in the
podcast futures event in, uh,

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in the show notes so that folks can,
if you're in the New York area, it's a,

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it's $55 one day event. I think
they've got about a dozen speakers.

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They're gonna be that. So,
uh, again, on the 19th,

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so the 19th is six days from
now, so it'll be on Wednesday,

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Wednesday the 19th. So
if you have availability.

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Got center right there, uh, in
conjunction with AB New York.

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So, but the podcasting 2.0 group is, uh,

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in phase six of their name space
undergoing planning right now.

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And, uh,

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the continuing to expand
on tags as we are here at,

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at blueberry,

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new possible tags include the
podcast Semicolon text tag.

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Yep. And that's actually was recommended
and, uh, by the folks at Apple.

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Yep.

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That is the tag that, uh, is kind
of a free form block of text.

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So you could use that for authenticating,
you know, in place of email.

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Uh, you could use it for, you
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And that's kind of a free form, uh, tag.

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Because the email address is
going away from RSS speeds, uh,

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later this year, early next.

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And there's gonna have to be a way for
podcasters to authenticate to say, Yep,

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this belongs to this show, belongs
to me, and be able to prove it.

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So that's something that's coming. There's
also podcast Semi Cohen has guested.

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What's that one about?

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That one, uh, James, uh, from
Pod News suggested that one,

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and basically, uh, he wants
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people pitching him guests
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all the guests he needs.

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Oh, that's interesting.

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Yeah. I don't, I don't know if that one
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that's basically what he, he's, you know,

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he gets pitched all the time for
guests on his show. Well, of course,

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he's a three minute news show. Oh.

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So it's, it's a yes or no
that they take guests. Yeah.

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I'm assuming kinda thing. Yeah.
Oh, has guest doesn't have guests.

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Because I would like to ha I get
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guests, and I'm like,
I don't do, you know,

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you obviously don't listen to the
show because I don't do guest.

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Yeah. It's funny. We don't get
pitched for being guests on this show,

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and we want to.

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Yeah, that's interesting.
Podcasts, Semi Cohen events,

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and, and it's, this is an interesting
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more like it could be something's
happened, something's changed.

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It's that type of a, an approach. Mm-hmm.
, it's very technical.

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Um, it's gonna be something
that'll be implemented by Host.

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I don't think this is, can, you know,

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there might be something that will trigger
an event that's around an RSS feed.

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It is an interesting tag.

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Then they were talking about it
on the podcast 2.0 show last week,

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and we're thinking about
how this could be utilized.

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Yeah. They don't have it
quite nailed down. Again,

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this is all in GitHub and they're, uh,
they're just now taking suggestions and,

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and talking about these
tags and, and maybe others.

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Right. So what about the
podcast state tag? What is that?

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That is, uh, a state
of the, of the podcast,

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meaning say they're on a free trial. Oh,

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so the state would be free trial.

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So for that would be for us as, Yeah,
that'd be for the host. For a host.

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If we had someone come in and sign up
for a free trial mm-hmm. ,

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then we would put the state is
the show's under a free trial.

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And then probably the state
would change when, or whatever,

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active. Or they, maybe they published
a few episodes or it'd be something,

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I think what they're trying to do there
is so many people set up free trial

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accounts that are under, Well, they
try to, they fill it with junk Yeah.

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Or.

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So.

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Or they just do one episode and
never do anything else with it.

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So it just sits there.

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Yeah, it just sits there. So
this is kind of a, this is a, um,

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gonna be designed to be used as a
filtering mechanism for platforms to

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essentially know that this
shows status is not completely

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established yet. I think that's
probably the way it would be described,

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which is interesting. And of course,

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they're gonna do improvements
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so I don't know what
they've got planned there.

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Yeah, I'm not sure either. Uh,

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James was the one that was proposing the
improvements. So, uh, over in GitHub,

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there's a discussion going on. There's
a link to it in our show notes here,

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if you're into reading all
that geeky stuff at GitHub.

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. Right. So, well, the, uh,

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charges against AAN Sied from Serial
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prosecutors.

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Yep. So he's out, he's free, and
he is done after 23 years in jail.

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Wow. Amazing. Just.

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Crazy that, you know, he's been
in that long and he's had what,

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three trials already and I guess
they're just choosing not to bother with

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another trial.

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Wow. Megan Kelly's the quarter three
fastest growing conservative podcast.

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Uh, who's reporting on that.

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Right here? Uh, Inside Radio.
Uh, wow. An original, uh,

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they got the data from,

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from one of the apps that she used to
listen to podcasts. But one of the,

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the little ones, uh.

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I don't know how they
can fully determine that.

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Yeah. They can't really. But,
you know, and with this, uh, app,

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I forget which one it is, it's
one of the, the minor ones,

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and that's this chart
here is just, you know,

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how many new subscribers they've
had over the last quarter

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on these shows that they picked out. So.

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Yeah. And again, it's so selective
because you never know. It's just from,

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you know, it, it's, it makes
a big headline, but then
they're like, Okay, where,

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where did this source of
information come from? So it that's.

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What it was, uh, from.

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Who.

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Cast Box.

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Oh. You know,

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and they're like less than
one 10th of 1% market share,

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so, you know, mean they're claiming she's.

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That's interesting. You know, it did.
And they picked out a bunch of the, uh,

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conservative podcasts and they're like,

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Glen Beck and Danon Bonino and Ben
Shapiro. Right. Riley. And, you know,

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the normal bunch. And, uh, it.

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Was just, he said, Here's our
fastest risers. Well, interesting.

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Yeah.

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All right. So let's move on to a best
practice when in doubt higher out

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Well, you know, think of
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editing. Right. You know,
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if there's a task that you do, you know,

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some of the reasonable price.

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on your GNC show, you have a person
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going at time for. It was a time save,
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so he thinks the way I do as far as show
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you know, the key has gotta find
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his worked out for me.
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so there is an expense involved.

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It's probably under $250 a month
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potentially about 12 hours worth of work.

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there's people out there that just don't
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Don't wanna deal with editing
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our Blueberry Pro team does
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it's well worth the money, I think,
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you know, if you enjoy doing all that
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on my personal show, I do
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and none of that goes out. I do
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even for gnc, I do the other 80% of the
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Your own publishing and write
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So let's go ahead and move on to Blueberry
News. That was our best practice.

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What's going on with the blog
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should you start a podcast
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Uh, there's no oversaturation
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the best time to start a
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The second best time is right now.

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Actually, in all honesty, It is. Yeah.

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Because the number of people creating
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drop with only 375,000 shows have
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days. Mm-hmm.
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And that's down from like 600,000.

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So there is never a better time. It's,
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Big 4 million, uh, you know, podcasts
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Are inactive. They might still
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Well, we've got sad news to announce
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who is basically a digital
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got about another week and a
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leaving for another job.

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She's gonna be working for a different
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degree, going in and doing her
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she's been with us for, oh, what
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That's right. So we are
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someone new to do digital media
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someone that is a camera
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you're not afraid to be in front of a
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voice and the whole nine yards.
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we have payroll currently in
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and Arizona. So if you're in one of
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we'd like to hire from within
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Florida might be coming soon too.

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some states is very, very difficult
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but this can be a remote job.

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probably some ready sometime next week,
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let me know. Definitely looking for a
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someone that's not being afraid
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Video and all that.

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we are definitely, uh,

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on the search and sometimes I often
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easier than looking outwards.

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be a perfect fit for us. It's looking
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or looking to move up and
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the whole nine yards. So that's a great.

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Great place to work. And, uh,

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we have a lot of fun here and get a lot
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let us know. Well, Monday,
Mike, I fly out to Ignite.

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It's an event in Riyad Saudi Arabia.

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And people here in this are like
Saudi Arabia podcast event in

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Saudi Arabia. It might
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and I don't know if I talked about it
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but if you don't know what is
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there's a transformation going on.

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50% of the population
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and 63% of the population
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There's been massive social
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We believe the politics
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women no longer have to cover
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without an escort. There is big for that.

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They've opened up for the last
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There was never tourism before. Uh,

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the company has established a part
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encourage creators in Saudi
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they want bloggers, they want podcasters.

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and content creation.
Expecting 15,000 attendees.

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15,000 attendees. Wow. And
that's a big, big, big event.

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Oh. So I'm going there with
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I think there's only about a
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a various countries. And, um, so yeah,
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go to Frankfurt, then into, get
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and then start a full week. They,

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they've got a schedule to do
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these events where we're
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I'm speaking on Friday of next week,

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along with doing like a meet and
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. It's kind of
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it's from four in the afternoon to 11
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which is, which is gonna be a butt
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because Saudi is from the East coast,

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I think five or six hours
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it's gonna have me upside
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it wouldn't be so bad if it
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but they don't do any
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call to prayer after the last
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it's gonna be a, um,
it's gonna be a big week.

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I'm excited to talk about
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Yeah, it'll be interesting.
Uh, take lots of pictures.

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. Yeah, I definitely will. And
this week too, I crossed over 18 years.

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Yeah, that's, uh, four days ago. 18
years of podcasting. It's insane.

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We were gonna have that as the best
practice this week, but I figured, uh,

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we'll just give you some time
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Best practice for being
18 years. Podcasting.

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Yeah. , how'd you do it?
You know, that kind of thing.

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And you know how it all
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you've told that story a lot. Yeah.

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Uh, yeah, that's a, you know,

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you're one of the few that
have gone that far and still.

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Especially with the same
show. Yeah. You know, Well.

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I'll be doing that in April. So, And.

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There's four or five,

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four or five shows that have made it
this long and still have an active

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podcast. You consider all the different
ones that are out there mm-hmm.

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, um, which is,
you know, pretty remarkable.

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I keep hoping some of those other
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be like the oldest active podcaster.
I, I don't know, you know,

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some of those shows put one out every
couple months just to keep the flame lit.

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Yeah. But, but it's, it's kind of fun. Uh.

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That's kind of me, you know, with mine
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you know, on, on the blueberry team,

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we have four of us that'll go
over 18 years next, next year.

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Wow. That's, that's huge. All right. So
let's talk about our Blueberry Pro tip.

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Totally.

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Recorded this of course, as usual,

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and it's about communicating with
podcasting about your business.

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Hi, it's Toby Goodman here today.

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If you are running a
business that's scaling fast,

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why would you need a podcast as
a decent business gains momentum?

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It's gonna grow organically,

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Likely it'll happen through
recommendations and referrals.

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That means paid marketing efforts
aren't needed quite as much, if at all.

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It's the dream. So if
you are in that position,

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you might be wondering if you should
stop the podcast you've got or bother

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starting one at all. The truth
is, when a business scales fast,

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it still has challenges
and position properly.

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A podcast can help you in many
ways. Here are just two. Number one,

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a rapidly growing business needs
a cohesive team. And as you grow,

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you and the leadership team will likely
have less time face to face to connect.

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A number of our national and international
clients have discovered the value in

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creating a podcast to stay in touch on
a human level with everyone in their

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organizations. While we saw
this strategy during Covid,

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because of travel restrictions
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podcasts have kept team members aligned
with the organization's mission.

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The result of that is
retention. And as you know,

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retention means a more valuable
business with less churn and less

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time and money on recruitment.
Number two, as your business scales,

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you will still need to
recruit more team members.

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And there's nothing better than getting
your message out into your industry by

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creating a podcast to show potential
candidates the culture and feel you have

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created in your organization.

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This is a strategy that will attract
the best talent in your industry.

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So when it comes to podcasting
for a growing business,

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you can add real value by
continuing or starting a podcast.

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If you'd like support with that,

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please get in touch with my
team over@blueberrypro.com.

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Very cool.

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Yeah, and it's kinda what we're doing
here, . So, but, uh, yeah,

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so, uh, definitely, uh, it,
it could also go, you know,

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for our private internal podcasting as
far as communicating with your current

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team.

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Right?

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And then of course you can, uh,

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do a public podcast like we're doing here
that kinda communicates with the rest

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of the world.

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Thanks Toby, for that. Let's move
on to our question of the week.

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Why is my artwork not
updating in Apple Podcast

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or name the platform?

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Yeah, I've gotten this question
about 10 times this week, ,

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and every time it's because
the image is the wrong size.

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So I figured we'd go over this
again, kind of beating a dead horse,

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but I got the question a lot. So, uh,

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basically your podcast artwork needs
to be exactly square in at least

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1400 pixels and up to 3000 again,

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exactly square. Not even one
pixel off, we'll throw it off. Uh,

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also should be less than 500
k, which is a half a megabyte,

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but it can be a bit more
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I've seen images up to about a,

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a megabyte not cause an
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we still suggest under 500 fasters better.
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set the compression just so, uh, if you
need help with that, get ahold of us.

444
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,960
And, uh, Dave and I both know
how to make artwork, uh, work.

445
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So other issues I've seen is it could
be that your artwork is stored on

446
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the wrong type of server.

447
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I've seen somebody that uploaded
their image to Dropbox and then linked

448
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it in their feed.

449
00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:39,200
And Dropbox is not a place
to put artwork or podcast

450
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media, you know, unless you're sending
it off to your editor or whatever.

451
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,920
But you don't publish from
there. So, uh, other than that,

452
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,720
if you're using Blueberry Power
press or uh, art hosting, you know,

453
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where you put your artwork will work as
long as your feed works from your site,

454
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your artwork will work. Any, any
other things about artwork? Todd?

455
00:25:58,930 --> 00:26:01,360
No, I, I think you, I
think you got it covered.

456
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:04,200
Okay. Very good. But I, yeah, I just,

457
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we get the same questions over and over
again and sometimes I like to cover

458
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those kind of questions here, just,
uh, to get it out there. But, you know,

459
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if you having trouble with
a particular platform,

460
00:26:13,810 --> 00:26:17,360
it could also be that that one
platform is having an issue.

461
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:18,220
That's right.

462
00:26:18,220 --> 00:26:20,760
You know, that it's
not unheard of for, uh,

463
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one of the platforms to just have an
issue that week pulling in artwork.

464
00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:28,600
So if you've got a question you'd like
us to answer, uh, on the show here,

465
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drop an email to mike@blueberry.com.

466
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That's blueberry without the east
audio text or video, and we may use it.

467
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,040
You can also post a question on the
Blueberry Podcasting Facebook group,

468
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,840
which we hope you're a member of. Yeah.

469
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,440
Go check that out. And of course,

470
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,920
the best place for support is not
the Facebook group, but it's, uh,

471
00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:50,960
at our ticket system at
blueberry.com/support that gives the

472
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,320
whole team access rather than direct
emails or phone calls or social media.

473
00:26:55,420 --> 00:26:56,080
And of course,

474
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we've been coming to you this week for
Mike Dell World Studio and Traverse City,

475
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Michigan, and the new media
production studio here in Cold Water,

476
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,000
Michigan, of course, produced by the
Blueberry Pro production team. Of.

477
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Course,

478
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you can fill out our listener survey
at surveys.blueberry.com/podcast

479
00:27:15,490 --> 00:27:18,800
Insider, and that gives us
little insight on who you are.

480
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,280
And also you can set up your own over
there if you're in our statistics.

481
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:25,120
Yes, please fill out our survey. Again,

482
00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:29,680
surveys.blueberry.com/podcast Insider.

483
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:33,160
And of course, we want you to schedule
that one on one. That's what I do here.

484
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,000
I do talk to customers every week.
It is hosting customers only.

485
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,760
Email me@toddblueberry.com.
Of course, sales,

486
00:27:41,170 --> 00:27:44,320
if you looking to do shows over
here, happy to talk to you as well.

487
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,720
Right. And, uh, of course you can
schedule a tech checkup with me,

488
00:27:47,770 --> 00:27:50,680
or also sales calls work ,

489
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,160
but hosting customers
only for the tech checkup.

490
00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:56,200
You can email me mike@blueberry.com.

491
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,000
And you can send it your podcast sticker
in a self-addressed stamped envelope

492
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,240
in,

493
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,200
We will send you a Blueberry
Care package at Link is in the

494
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,760
show notes@blueberry.com.

495
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,640
Or actually podcast insider.com is an
easier way to, uh, to get to it. But Mike,

496
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,360
I think that's gonna
wrap up this week's show.

497
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:18,640
Yeah. And we got through it without
any, uh, any road caster glitches.

498
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,080
I think I have it figured out now.

499
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,680
. Oh, that's good.
And, uh, hopefully they, uh,

500
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,240
they've gotten your feedback to do any
patches if there is additional issues,

501
00:28:28,570 --> 00:28:28,920
so.

502
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,160
Yeah, apparently there's a new firmware
coming out with, uh, with a couple of,

503
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,560
uh, USB fixes.

504
00:28:34,810 --> 00:28:38,560
Oh, well, we'll, we'll keep our
fingers crossed that it doesn't, uh,

505
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,320
cause insanity. Maybe we.

506
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:43,920
Yeah. Get it, get it back. Working
with Skype here, uh, next time.

507
00:28:44,180 --> 00:28:47,720
Yep. All right. Well it's been our
pleasure to bring you the show.

508
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,280
Thanks for being here and we'll
see you next time on Podcast

509
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,080
Inside Everyone. Take
care and we'll see ya.