Podcast Conference Roundup: Latest Trends & Events – PCI 435

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Hey, everyone. Welcome to Podcast Insider. And boy,

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oh, boy. We've got a a whole gang

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here today

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to, to talk to you. And, of course,

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I'm Todd, the founder of the company. And

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I guess we'll just go around the table

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real quick before we get into what we're

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gonna chitchat about.

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I'm Mackenzie Bennett. I'm the marketing specialist on

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the Blueberry team. I'm Mike Del, the VP

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of customer relations here. Yeah. I'm Dave Clements,

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and I am a sales and support agent

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for the team. Alright. I am Kathy Buton,

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and I am the communication specialist for Blueberry.

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Yes. Greetings, everyone. I am Aaron, and I

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am the designer at Blueberry.

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You're listening to Podcast Insider hosted by Mike

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Dell, Todd Cochran, and Mackenzie Bennett from the

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Blueberry team,

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at Blueberry Podcasting.

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Welcome. Let's dive in.

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Well, one thing's for sure is we're, like,

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on a party line today, so this should

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be fun.

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You know,

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podcast season is here.

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And I guess the question

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oftentimes

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content creators ask is,

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are these events really worth the investment, and

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can you get some value,

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by going to them? And, of course, in

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this episode,

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Kathy and Aaron are gonna recap,

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what just happened at Travelcon

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that they just were at. And, of course,

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Mike and Mackenzie are getting ready to go

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to podcast movement

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Evolutions.

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And then I'm going to podcast Asia here

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in a couple of weeks, and we have

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the podcast show in London.

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So a lot to,

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a lot to go over, but I guess,

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you know, Kathy and, Aaron,

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you guys just got back from from TravelCon,

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and you did run into some podcasters, but

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there wasn't a big number of them. Right?

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Right. I mean, there were quite a few,

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but most of the people we talked to

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were interested in podcasting,

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and had been told they should be podcasters,

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but didn't know that much about it. So

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we were quite busy talking to those folks.

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Yeah. When we were there, we did meet

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some of the podcasters, but, you know, it

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was TravelCon. So there were, like, a lot

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of content creators. So these were people who

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have some form of content out there, whether

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it be video,

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Instagram,

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TikTok,

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YouTube,

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or, like, they already have, like, a website.

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They already have, like, a following of some

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sort. So when we brought podcasting to them,

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they were very interested. Some of them have

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already had the demand from their audiences for

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longer form content and things like that.

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But since we were there, they were like,

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great. I have all the questions. Where do

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I even start? Things like that. So it

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was very nice to sit down with people

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who were excited about podcasting and were excited

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about getting into that field. The bid to

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pod feature was very popular because a lot

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of these people had YouTube channels.

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And, you know, with bid to pod, they

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can just convert

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their,

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videos into an audio podcast automatically.

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And so we had a lot of interest

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in that. I think it all worked out

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in our favor. We try to go to,

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at least one event

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every year that is not podcast specific.

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That is more just, you know, these people

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have potential to become podcasters. And in that

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same sense, we highly encourage podcasters themselves to

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go to the conference of their niche.

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So these people were already going because they

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are travel

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content creators, and we are a content creation

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company.

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So, you know, we we've talked about maybe

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going to, like, Comic Con.

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Todd, you've gone to Dragon Con many times

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and talked about podcasting there. So whenever, like,

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you're looking up podcasting conferences,

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make sure to look up conferences in your

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own topic as well and go to go

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to those.

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these events

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that we go to, of course, the one

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that's upcoming, podcast movement evolutions,

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that's gonna be, you know, largely, it's a

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podcaster event. So the folks are gonna be

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going as podcasters. But they had originally touted

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this event as an industry event, and the

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other event is more of a general creator

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event. But in the end, way it's kinda

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worked out is the events have kind of

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evolved into,

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know, kind of both at the same time,

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creator and industry events. So you guys are

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getting ready to head out to Chicago for

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for evolutions and, you know, kinda what's your

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expectation for that event and what you're seeing

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so far?

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Oh, like like normal. You know, there's plenty

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of creators that show up to that even

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though it's supposed to be an industry one.

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you know, so we'll get, you know, a

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the industry scuttle, but, you know, we get

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to know what other companies are doing. And

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and, you know, we talk to a lot

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of the the people that, work at or

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run these companies. So that that

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useful,

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but, you know, it's not so much,

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you know, podcaster event. It's podcast industry,

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again. But,

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Mackenzie, you you haven't been to Evolutions in

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a couple years. So what are you thinking

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it's gonna be like?

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in the sense that, like, the the creators

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that do show up to Evolutions

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are generally based wherever the show is.

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basically all people in California.

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of Chicago Midwest Creators at this one. But,

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they, yeah, they they somewhat

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differentiate it, I think, less

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now than than before.

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a couple different stages and, like, tracks

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that they that they do. So there's, like,

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an industry and pro track.

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There's brand success.

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There's just, like, learning about,

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how to profit

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and grow. So

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those are those are definitely, you know, like,

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the the mindset that people are in of,

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like, how do I kinda make this my

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business,

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instead of just, like, I wanna start this

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up my hobby.

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I think that's that's generally what we see

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more often.

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are are worth going to, you know, especially

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the keynotes because, you know, you get kind

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of a high level view of what's going

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on in the industry. You know, whether

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whether right or wrong,

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we hear what people are thinking, and that's

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that's very useful.

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You know, I think too, one of the

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thing about going to these events is

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the networking happens. You know, they've got the

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sessions that you can go to.

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You can learn, you know, a lot of

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stuff by going to sessions, but having those

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conversations in the hallway

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with fellow podcasters is probably,

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you know, the best part of any event

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like this.

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I know a lot of people go to

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these events and they never go to a

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session. They just talk to people in the

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hallway.

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I don't know if I would do that.

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Or in the bar. Or the bar. Yeah.

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did you see a lot of networking going

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on in the hallway? Or Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

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Well and they had a section set aside

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just for that, and, they would have breakouts,

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and and it was nice. It was like

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standing tables, and people would huddle around and

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talk. And then in the, on the first

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night, so it was Friday night,

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there was an after party and there was

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a lot of in a mariachi band. That

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was pretty cool.

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But there was a lot of networking. Yeah.

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This was a great event for networking,

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and everybody was the energy was fantastic.

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And, yeah, it was just very special.

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Yeah. And it was nice because where we

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where our booth was was right in front

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of those meetups. So we are, like, we

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were literally seeing people, like, come together, talk

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about stuff. They even had, like because there's

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so many different niches just under travel, there

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would be, like, one for couples travel, one

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for solo travel, one for budget travel. And

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then, like, at least my the most exciting

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one for us was there was a a

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podcaster meet up, and that's where, like, we

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got to see, like, kind of all the

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podcasters that were there. And it's like, oh

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my god. There's a bunch there. It's crazy.

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That was probably, like, the most exciting one.

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out of those meetups, like, people because we

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would talk to this guy named Sam,

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and he was from Canada and he came

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down to travel. And he was like, yeah.

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I have a show.

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I haven't really been putting anything on it

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because he just had a baby. So he's

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like, his last couple of months have been

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baby chaos.

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And so he, like, was, like, this is

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my first time coming back into it. And

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he's like, I've met people for the first

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time who I've talked to who I haven't

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talked to in a couple

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in, like, in months. And, like, he just

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felt so reconnected back into the the the

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field and, like, seeing people that he knew.

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So it is just, like, I know, like,

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you know, we talk, like, even right now,

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we're digitally, like, all talking together, but there

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is something about that face to face value

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and just having that, like, face to face,

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like, physical connection. So I know, like Yeah.

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We all are distanced, but conferences really give

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you a chance to talk to people you've

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been talking to online for years. So that's,

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like, a great time to go because it's

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like, oh, are you going? Are you going?

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Are you going? Great. People from all over

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the world in the same room finally get

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to talk to each other. And like you

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said, Todd, like, you know, have those side

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conversations, have those tidbits, have those little insights,

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that only they know about or, like, just

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those very specific problems,

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because probably one of the other people have

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dealt with one of those problems and have

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found that solution to it. Dave, you you

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and I were in Podfest,

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a couple of months ago, and

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you you really got to kinda experience that

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first, you know, first time for, you know,

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connecting with people you've been talking to on

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the phone or

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chatting with via email,

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you know, from your perspective having

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it for a first time attendee to an

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event,

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you know, what what was it for you,

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you know, because I think this is important

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for people that are have never attended an

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event maybe to get your perspective.

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Yeah. Beforehand,

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I I was I was overwhelmed because I

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haven't gone to a ton of conferences in

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general. And then to go and be representing

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the company,

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that that was nerve wracking.

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thing that,

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once things got started, once we got the

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booth set up,

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being able to interact with

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actual Blueberry customers that I've answered tickets for,

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talked to on the phone, to put a

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face to a name and be like, oh,

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yeah. We'd you did have that goofy little

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issue in PowerPress a couple weeks ago and

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or yesterday when I was in between plane

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flights or something like that.

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Kinda goes back to Erin's point of just,

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like,

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there's that connection so that

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it for for me in my role,

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it just kind of reestablishes

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this is why I do what I do.

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This is why we as a company do

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what we do,

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because there are some really great people out

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there

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that,

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have a lot of really good

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information

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that they wanna share.

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And it's just really nice to reinforce,

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that, you know, we're helping them get that

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content out there.

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So, yeah, like, we're you know, Todd and

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I are going to to podcast show in

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London,

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in May.

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And I'm excited for that because, again, it's

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just that reestablishing

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connections, meeting new people,

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and just seeing how my work affects

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what they're doing. It's

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Sometimes these events seem like a almost like

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a family reunion.

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Whether you've ever met these people or not

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in person, you know, we deal with them

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all the time.

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Yeah. And I I saw that a lot,

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you know, being with with Todd at Podfest.

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You know, I mean,

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Todd's a popular guy. I don't know if

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everybody knows that, but he's a popular guy.

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So just people come in. Oh, Todd. Hey.

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Haven't seen you in two, three years or,

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you know, we just talked last week or

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or something like that. And so I'm excited

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to be able to go to more of

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these and and really develop those kind of

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connections and have have some deeper conversations with

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people.

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And I think too if, you know, if

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someone's considering going to a podcasting event or

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any trade show, really,

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the the the value

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of meeting folks and making relationships

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is

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at least 50%

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of value of going to an event. Now

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I think the biggest mistake,

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an attendee can make is is being really,

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really super shy.

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Mhmm. If if you're super, super, super shy

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and don't wanna talk to any folks,

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you're gonna kinda lose out a little bit

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on the value of the event. You're still

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gonna get a lot of,

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a lot of,

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a value out of it. But I would

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say if that is your personality, you know,

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just make it a goal. Let me talk

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to

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15 people each day, you know, and and

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you say, hi, my name, my show, what

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do you do,

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and make an effort because,

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the perspectives that you're gonna get you're gonna

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find that

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the challenges that you're having is gonna be

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the same exact challenges that other people are

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having and you'd be able to share notes

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and strategies.

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And,

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so the networking piece is important. And, of

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course, you know, like Mike said earlier,

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sometimes the conversations happen to bars and, you

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know, people get a few drinks in them

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and they're you know, they they kind of

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let their guard down a little bit and

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and have a good discussion. So,

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I used to well, I still call it

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holding court when we would hang out in

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the bar and just, you know, people would

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walk up and talk to you. But I

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think at the same time, one thing you

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said, Dave, here is sometimes,

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I've had people tell me later, I was

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afraid to come up and say hello.

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Yeah. And I I'm

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well, we're all kind of creators here,

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to an extent,

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and we all really put our pants on

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the same way. So,

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don't be afraid if you see someone that

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you've, you know, that you'd like to talk

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to, but you're afraid to talk to. I

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feel most of these events, everyone is very

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approachable,

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and that's what we're there for. So, you

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know, if you if you see your your

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favorite podcaster or favorite you're you're you know,

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if you're a fan of somebody's show, you

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know, make sure you go up and say,

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hey. I'm a I'm a fan. I've been

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listening or I like what you do.

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It it really, really goes a long way,

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especially for and if you're a new attendee.

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And, like Mike said, once you go to

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an event a couple of times,

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then it is. It's kinda like a family

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reunion.

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Yeah. And even, you know, even someone that

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you would consider

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famous, air quotes,

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they wouldn't come to these conferences if they

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didn't wanna talk to you. So

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don't be afraid. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Good point.

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I had that issue with with Dave Jackson,

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and I mentioned it, in our Podfest,

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episode where I was just like, I can't

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talk to Dave. He's he's like an idol

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in my book. And then, you know, a

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couple hours later, we're standing out there just,

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you know, shooting the breeze about just random

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stuff. And I was like, oh, yeah. He

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is a real person.

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Very cool.

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So yeah. Don't don't be afraid to talk

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to people. Now sometimes you you may have

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to wait in line, but yeah. Right.

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Go ahead, Mackenzie.

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I just wanna reiterate or even let people

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know that the majority of the time these

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conferences nowadays

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will record the sessions.

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So if you're worried about, you know, I

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paid this ticket, and now I'm not learning

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anything, and I'm just spending my time, like,

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out in the hallway talking to people or

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something like that. You're gonna get recordings of

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all of those sessions at at least the

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majority of these events. Mhmm.

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So so if you kinda just, you know,

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like, have your day planned out and you're

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like, okay. I wanna go to this at

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this time and

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go to

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the go to the Expo Hall at this

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time, blah blah blah blah. Like, don't be

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afraid to change your,

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change your plans

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or whoever it is that you run into,

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whatever that good conversation is. Yeah. Because, like,

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you can get so isolated doing a podcast,

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because you are able to just do it

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from home. You can do it alone. Like,

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you don't have to do this with literally

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anyone so that when you actually are at

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these events,

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yeah, really take take advantage of

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of the people in your proximity and

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and make that community or, you know, be

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excited to meet the community that you already

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have online in person, actually.

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And a lot of lot of podcasters are

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introverts, believe it or not. So, you know

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Yes. They are. Going to a conference, turn

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it on. You can you can do it

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for a week.

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You'll be exhausted, but Oh, yeah. You could

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do it. In in a good way. Yeah.

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Yeah. Absolutely. That's how I feel every time.

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It's like drinking from the fire hose. At

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Podfest Asia that I'm getting ready

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to attend,

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the crowd last year was so,

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oh, they didn't wanna talk to anybody. You

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know? They were they were all about

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staying in, and we really had to kinda

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because the first event

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for Asia, we had to kinda really, like,

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draw them in

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and ask questions. And so I'm hoping this

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year at Podfest Asia that people are a

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little more comfortable and willing to ask questions

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and not be shy.

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And,

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you know, we're we're there to share

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as much knowledge as we can, and it's

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really a full day. It's a big it's

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a one day event.

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And,

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last year after that event, I think I

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was more tired from that one day event

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than standing in a booth for three days.

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But it it was,

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it was very exciting because it reminded me

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of

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the old days, and they're having the same

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issues that we've had in years past.

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And luckily, we've lived through all that and

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able to share,

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you know, solutions and ideas.

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So this is kinda what I'm looking for,

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in Podfest Asia is definitely,

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seeing how that that crowd that is gonna

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definitely repeat and then grow,

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how it has matured

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for a second year.

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And I and at the same time,

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the event was a little bit different in

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that, boy, there was just a ton of

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VAs

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that are working with podcasters in The United

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States that were there or Australia.

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The actual podcasters themselves were not as numerous.

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So it was a lot of editors and,

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people that are doing booking and these types

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of things. So it's it's,

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it'll be interesting how the event grows,

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this year from that standpoint. And, again, it's

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just a one day event

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and,

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but they had some some huge heavy hitters

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that that made it to the event. So

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we'll see how it goes.

534
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So you're going to Podfest Asia in a

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little bit.

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You and Dave are going to London later.

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Last year, you and Kathy went to London,

538
00:19:09,924 --> 00:19:11,845
and you you did a podcast event,

539
00:19:12,244 --> 00:19:14,325
in Riyadh A Couple Years ago. So can

540
00:19:14,325 --> 00:19:16,450
you tell us, like, how you see

541
00:19:17,230 --> 00:19:19,230
or, like, if there's any differences between the

542
00:19:19,230 --> 00:19:22,109
events that happen in The US compared to,

543
00:19:22,109 --> 00:19:24,190
you know, anywhere else or just kinda like

544
00:19:24,190 --> 00:19:25,570
the expansion of conferences

545
00:19:26,190 --> 00:19:29,434
of podcast conferences worldwide? Well, you know, Riyadh

546
00:19:29,434 --> 00:19:31,434
was just a huge eye opener for me

547
00:19:31,434 --> 00:19:32,975
and it was basically the

548
00:19:33,515 --> 00:19:36,174
changing politics in Saudi Arabia.

549
00:19:37,515 --> 00:19:39,674
There was as many women at the conferences

550
00:19:39,674 --> 00:19:41,195
as there were men and I think the

551
00:19:41,195 --> 00:19:43,055
women were more passionate about

552
00:19:43,769 --> 00:19:45,869
creating content than even the guys were.

553
00:19:47,049 --> 00:19:47,549
And

554
00:19:48,090 --> 00:19:50,410
I'm just I wish I could speak Arabic

555
00:19:50,410 --> 00:19:52,250
because I I wanted to listen to all

556
00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:53,710
these stories that were coming

557
00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:56,330
out of a country that has largely not

558
00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:56,830
had

559
00:19:57,194 --> 00:19:59,115
a lot of rights for people to create

560
00:19:59,115 --> 00:20:00,575
content on their own. And

561
00:20:00,875 --> 00:20:03,034
there was a interesting fact, and I may

562
00:20:03,034 --> 00:20:06,554
get this wrong, but, like, 65 or 70%

563
00:20:06,554 --> 00:20:08,394
of the population in Saudi Arabia is made

564
00:20:08,394 --> 00:20:10,174
up of people 35.

565
00:20:10,539 --> 00:20:12,700
So the kingdom has had to make had

566
00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:14,859
to make has had to make changes in

567
00:20:14,859 --> 00:20:15,599
order to,

568
00:20:16,619 --> 00:20:18,640
how should we say it, quell the populace

569
00:20:19,660 --> 00:20:22,539
and allow them to have more freedoms. And,

570
00:20:22,539 --> 00:20:24,539
of course, women there can drive now and

571
00:20:24,539 --> 00:20:26,855
own businesses, and it was quite the eye

572
00:20:26,855 --> 00:20:28,794
opening trip for me. But

573
00:20:29,815 --> 00:20:32,714
here you had these people just absolutely hungry

574
00:20:33,654 --> 00:20:34,875
to create content

575
00:20:35,335 --> 00:20:36,554
and tell their story.

576
00:20:36,934 --> 00:20:38,394
And then you had

577
00:20:38,774 --> 00:20:39,274
Asia

578
00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:40,419
where

579
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,519
it was more like an emerging market and,

580
00:20:43,519 --> 00:20:44,799
you know, there was a little bit of

581
00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:46,579
knowledge, but in the end,

582
00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:48,980
the the business of podcasting

583
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:49,940
is

584
00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:52,480
about the same as it is in United

585
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:52,980
States

586
00:20:53,464 --> 00:20:56,605
where London, and maybe Kathy can weigh in,

587
00:20:58,744 --> 00:20:59,724
there's definitely,

588
00:21:01,945 --> 00:21:03,005
a lot of professionals,

589
00:21:04,184 --> 00:21:05,484
radio specifically

590
00:21:05,785 --> 00:21:08,684
doing podcasting. It's more seems more organized.

591
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,799
It doesn't feel as indie in London, although

592
00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:14,400
there was a lot of people that came

593
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:14,900
through

594
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,160
to talk to us that were thinking about

595
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,059
doing a podcast.

596
00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:20,579
Mhmm.

597
00:21:22,634 --> 00:21:25,595
It definitely had a little bit different vibe,

598
00:21:25,595 --> 00:21:26,095
but

599
00:21:26,634 --> 00:21:27,775
I think that

600
00:21:29,994 --> 00:21:30,815
in the end,

601
00:21:31,835 --> 00:21:34,315
the rules still apply. Everyone's got the ability

602
00:21:34,315 --> 00:21:35,994
now to pull up a microphone and be

603
00:21:35,994 --> 00:21:38,049
heard and tell their story. I don't know,

604
00:21:38,049 --> 00:21:40,529
Cassie, from you being in London, what was

605
00:21:40,529 --> 00:21:42,230
your perspective on the attendees?

606
00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:45,009
Well, like you said, they were all very

607
00:21:45,009 --> 00:21:45,509
professional

608
00:21:46,049 --> 00:21:48,309
and a lot of them had established shows

609
00:21:48,769 --> 00:21:49,269
and,

610
00:21:49,889 --> 00:21:52,664
yeah, they've the way they approached us was

611
00:21:52,664 --> 00:21:53,404
very professional

612
00:21:53,785 --> 00:21:53,944
and,

613
00:21:55,384 --> 00:21:58,585
there and yet still laid back. So London

614
00:21:58,585 --> 00:22:00,265
is a lot more laid back than The

615
00:22:00,265 --> 00:22:03,065
US is. And so they're very down to

616
00:22:03,065 --> 00:22:04,045
earth and,

617
00:22:04,585 --> 00:22:06,320
they just take things a little easier than

618
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,720
we do. And, yeah, it was it was

619
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,019
a it was a different,

620
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,340
kind of audience, but it was very,

621
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:15,380
very

622
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,924
productive and very interesting. Those the people who

623
00:22:18,924 --> 00:22:21,484
came were very interesting and interested in us,

624
00:22:21,484 --> 00:22:23,725
and so that was great. Yeah. And because

625
00:22:23,725 --> 00:22:25,085
a lot of people didn't know who we

626
00:22:25,085 --> 00:22:27,725
were. They just, you know, it's they have

627
00:22:27,725 --> 00:22:30,445
several podcast companies that are popular in The

628
00:22:30,445 --> 00:22:32,384
UK and the surrounding region.

629
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,359
So for us being there, like, what do

630
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,880
you guys do? Who are you? And they

631
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,339
never really heard of us.

632
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,720
So that was for me was kind of

633
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,339
an eye opener to show,

634
00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:43,799
yeah, here in The United States, you know,

635
00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:45,579
we go to event. We're well known.

636
00:22:45,914 --> 00:22:46,414
You

637
00:22:47,755 --> 00:22:51,215
know, as compared to even being in Asia

638
00:22:51,275 --> 00:22:52,734
where almost everyone,

639
00:22:53,434 --> 00:22:56,154
because of the economic situation, are using some

640
00:22:56,154 --> 00:22:57,595
of the free hosts out there, and then

641
00:22:57,595 --> 00:22:59,929
you start talking about the advantages of being

642
00:22:59,929 --> 00:23:01,849
on a paid host, and it really opens

643
00:23:01,849 --> 00:23:03,230
people's eyes. So,

644
00:23:03,609 --> 00:23:05,769
again, regionally, things are

645
00:23:06,650 --> 00:23:08,490
you know, it's a little bit different, but

646
00:23:08,490 --> 00:23:10,970
in the end, it's all about creators wanting

647
00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:12,190
to be successful.

648
00:23:13,255 --> 00:23:14,875
I noticed the last few

649
00:23:15,575 --> 00:23:18,134
conferences I've been to, we're getting that question

650
00:23:18,134 --> 00:23:19,894
a little more in The US as well.

651
00:23:19,894 --> 00:23:21,894
You know? What do you guys do? You

652
00:23:21,894 --> 00:23:24,775
know? And and there's just always people coming

653
00:23:24,775 --> 00:23:27,835
into the industry and people leaving the industry.

654
00:23:28,570 --> 00:23:29,070
So,

655
00:23:30,090 --> 00:23:31,609
why we have to go to these things

656
00:23:31,609 --> 00:23:32,990
to wave the flag.

657
00:23:34,890 --> 00:23:36,890
I think You know, last year in London

658
00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:40,809
too, we had just released blueberry pie, our

659
00:23:40,809 --> 00:23:41,309
AI,

660
00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:42,350
and,

661
00:23:43,335 --> 00:23:45,734
the participants there were just fascinated by that.

662
00:23:45,734 --> 00:23:47,414
They had you know, nobody else had done

663
00:23:47,414 --> 00:23:49,494
that and they were just really interested in

664
00:23:49,494 --> 00:23:51,255
it. And so that was a big selling

665
00:23:51,255 --> 00:23:52,394
point for us there.

666
00:23:53,734 --> 00:23:56,075
Yeah. And I'm actually gonna be speaking about,

667
00:23:56,534 --> 00:23:59,970
pie, about AI specifically here in Asia.

668
00:24:00,430 --> 00:24:02,369
And I think it'll resonate well,

669
00:24:03,630 --> 00:24:06,130
based upon what we've really learned about

670
00:24:06,670 --> 00:24:08,910
using all these tools over the past year

671
00:24:08,910 --> 00:24:10,130
and how it can improve,

672
00:24:11,105 --> 00:24:13,045
the overall product. You know, still,

673
00:24:13,984 --> 00:24:15,744
what we put on the microphone or what

674
00:24:15,744 --> 00:24:17,605
we put record digitally

675
00:24:18,384 --> 00:24:20,225
is one thing, but then what we present

676
00:24:20,225 --> 00:24:20,884
in metadata,

677
00:24:22,305 --> 00:24:24,149
AI has just made such a huge difference

678
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:25,909
even for my show. And, you know, I

679
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:28,250
I kinda laugh because I've always said,

680
00:24:28,629 --> 00:24:30,149
you know, you need great rich show notes,

681
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:31,529
but yet I'd write a paragraph.

682
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:33,129
You know,

683
00:24:33,509 --> 00:24:35,589
didn't drink my own Kool Aid. And now

684
00:24:35,589 --> 00:24:36,250
I have,

685
00:24:36,629 --> 00:24:38,409
you know, rich show notes beyond

686
00:24:39,034 --> 00:24:41,674
beyond measure. And, so it's gonna be fun

687
00:24:41,674 --> 00:24:42,894
kinda sharing those,

688
00:24:43,835 --> 00:24:45,914
these lessons learned that we've learned over the

689
00:24:45,914 --> 00:24:48,654
past years. But, you know, I I think

690
00:24:48,875 --> 00:24:50,494
the question I would ask

691
00:24:51,275 --> 00:24:52,174
each of you

692
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:53,769
and

693
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:56,470
are these conferences do you think it's worth

694
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:58,309
it for a podcaster to go to considering

695
00:24:58,309 --> 00:25:00,309
the cost and time? I think you need

696
00:25:00,309 --> 00:25:01,130
to try it.

697
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:05,349
Choose the one most affordable and convenient for

698
00:25:05,349 --> 00:25:05,849
you.

699
00:25:06,515 --> 00:25:07,974
The one that you think, you know,

700
00:25:08,515 --> 00:25:10,755
you can get the most value out of

701
00:25:10,755 --> 00:25:11,414
but also

702
00:25:12,355 --> 00:25:13,414
actually pay for,

703
00:25:14,755 --> 00:25:16,194
and and go to that one and see

704
00:25:16,194 --> 00:25:17,894
how it goes. But, also,

705
00:25:18,194 --> 00:25:19,815
there are virtual ones.

706
00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:22,160
You know? They're they're definitely,

707
00:25:23,179 --> 00:25:25,900
less now that we're doing everything in person

708
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:27,839
nowadays, but they do still happen.

709
00:25:28,539 --> 00:25:30,779
And and they still have a price tag

710
00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:32,319
attached to them, but,

711
00:25:32,619 --> 00:25:34,994
really, that one is is you know,

712
00:25:35,555 --> 00:25:37,714
it just depends on on the conference and

713
00:25:37,714 --> 00:25:39,634
how well they do that virtually, but there's

714
00:25:39,634 --> 00:25:41,075
still something that you can get out of

715
00:25:41,075 --> 00:25:41,234
it.

716
00:25:42,434 --> 00:25:44,515
It's it's kind of that mindset thing of

717
00:25:44,515 --> 00:25:45,174
you're like,

718
00:25:45,634 --> 00:25:47,474
if I'm gonna be here, I'm gonna be

719
00:25:47,474 --> 00:25:49,500
here. I'm not just gonna, like, be here

720
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,920
in attendance only and not actually

721
00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:55,119
actively trying to reach your own goals.

722
00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:57,660
Yeah. You get you get out of it

723
00:25:57,660 --> 00:25:59,820
what you kinda put into it too. You

724
00:25:59,820 --> 00:26:02,240
know? Again, just make sure you're,

725
00:26:02,755 --> 00:26:05,154
you know, it's something that's within your budget.

726
00:26:05,154 --> 00:26:07,474
Make sure, you know, that that, you know,

727
00:26:07,474 --> 00:26:08,454
that's all good.

728
00:26:08,755 --> 00:26:11,474
And then just go there and try to

729
00:26:11,474 --> 00:26:12,294
learn stuff,

730
00:26:12,755 --> 00:26:13,575
meet people.

731
00:26:14,275 --> 00:26:15,424
It it definitely

732
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:16,900
can be worth it.

733
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,559
You know, now some some events are pricing

734
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,400
themselves out of the market for the for

735
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,460
the indie podcaster.

736
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,819
But, you know, just make sure

737
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,059
that if you're gonna do this,

738
00:26:29,464 --> 00:26:31,945
make sure you can afford it, and, and

739
00:26:31,945 --> 00:26:33,384
you will get out of it what you

740
00:26:33,384 --> 00:26:34,365
put into it.

741
00:26:35,065 --> 00:26:36,684
I've been doing podcast for

742
00:26:37,065 --> 00:26:38,825
almost thirteen years now.

743
00:26:39,705 --> 00:26:42,125
And having just gone to Podfest,

744
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:44,549
I I think I told Todd, and I

745
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:47,029
was definitely telling my wife. I was like,

746
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:49,750
man. Like, this got me excited to make

747
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:51,990
podcasts again. And I wasn't there as a

748
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:52,490
podcaster.

749
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:54,329
I was there representing

750
00:26:55,125 --> 00:26:55,625
Blueberry.

751
00:26:56,644 --> 00:26:58,244
But I came home and I was like,

752
00:26:58,244 --> 00:27:00,724
I need to record something just because I

753
00:27:00,724 --> 00:27:02,265
was talking to people,

754
00:27:03,285 --> 00:27:04,505
you know, other podcasters.

755
00:27:04,805 --> 00:27:06,345
Their their passion

756
00:27:06,644 --> 00:27:08,884
reignited my passion. So I think that that's

757
00:27:08,884 --> 00:27:10,585
also a benefit that,

758
00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:13,019
you know, I don't I don't know that

759
00:27:13,019 --> 00:27:14,619
you can really put a price on it,

760
00:27:14,619 --> 00:27:16,720
but, you know, building off of everybody else's

761
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:18,000
input,

762
00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:18,960
you know,

763
00:27:19,259 --> 00:27:21,500
go to what you can afford. Go digitally

764
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,545
if you need to. But I think in

765
00:27:23,545 --> 00:27:25,545
person is really where it could be at.

766
00:27:25,545 --> 00:27:27,945
I know it will be for me. So

767
00:27:27,945 --> 00:27:29,865
I I'm gonna be looking for stuff that's

768
00:27:29,865 --> 00:27:31,705
a little closer to me that I can

769
00:27:31,705 --> 00:27:32,205
afford,

770
00:27:33,065 --> 00:27:34,825
even if I'm not going there to represent

771
00:27:34,825 --> 00:27:35,484
the company.

772
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,259
And on that note, Dave, like, these, conferences,

773
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,160
they're never in the same city every year.

774
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Like, they travel. They go East Coast. They

775
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,480
go West Coast. So even if you find

776
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,400
one that is far away, it's, like, always

777
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,785
check later that year for another one because

778
00:27:49,785 --> 00:27:51,785
it might be closer and then maybe next

779
00:27:51,785 --> 00:27:53,005
year it might be closer.

780
00:27:53,305 --> 00:27:55,785
So it definitely is, like, something to go

781
00:27:55,785 --> 00:27:58,105
look at the different conferences and see where

782
00:27:58,105 --> 00:27:59,945
they're gonna be that year. And then if

783
00:27:59,945 --> 00:28:02,025
there's not one near you, maybe follow them

784
00:28:02,025 --> 00:28:04,109
because they'll announce where they're gonna be next

785
00:28:04,109 --> 00:28:05,789
year. And if that's closer to you, then

786
00:28:05,789 --> 00:28:07,809
maybe you can go to that one. Right?

787
00:28:08,430 --> 00:28:10,910
You know, one thing I'll say and is

788
00:28:10,910 --> 00:28:12,210
if you if you attend

789
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:13,330
and,

790
00:28:15,070 --> 00:28:16,690
have a have a bit of a preplan.

791
00:28:18,984 --> 00:28:19,484
Understand

792
00:28:20,105 --> 00:28:22,924
what if if you have a burning question

793
00:28:23,464 --> 00:28:25,085
that's been driving you crazy

794
00:28:25,384 --> 00:28:27,144
and you haven't talked to us during a

795
00:28:27,144 --> 00:28:28,744
one on one, which you can do if

796
00:28:28,744 --> 00:28:30,990
you can get that burning question answered. But,

797
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:34,450
definitely know what your goal

798
00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:35,490
is

799
00:28:35,869 --> 00:28:37,009
before you arrive.

800
00:28:37,390 --> 00:28:40,190
And when you attend sessions, I this is

801
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:41,950
the biggest piece of advice I can give

802
00:28:41,950 --> 00:28:44,429
you. You're gonna be drinking from the fire

803
00:28:44,429 --> 00:28:45,410
hose, and

804
00:28:45,875 --> 00:28:48,055
there is going to be probably per session

805
00:28:48,755 --> 00:28:50,934
ten, fifteen, 20 takeaways.

806
00:28:51,795 --> 00:28:54,355
But I would say, you know, have note

807
00:28:54,355 --> 00:28:55,654
note paper and pen

808
00:28:55,955 --> 00:28:57,875
or your laptop or however you wanna take

809
00:28:57,875 --> 00:28:58,375
notes

810
00:28:58,980 --> 00:28:59,480
and

811
00:29:00,179 --> 00:29:01,720
try to have at least one

812
00:29:02,099 --> 00:29:02,599
major

813
00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:04,599
takeaway from a panel.

814
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:07,460
You know, focus on the one thing that

815
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:09,539
really kinda struck you that made you wanna

816
00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:11,380
go, oh, wow. I'm gonna do that when

817
00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:12,200
I get home,

818
00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:13,835
because

819
00:29:14,134 --> 00:29:16,694
there will always be at least one thing

820
00:29:16,694 --> 00:29:18,315
that you'll get out of the panel,

821
00:29:19,974 --> 00:29:21,974
that you've that you wanted to attend. And,

822
00:29:21,974 --> 00:29:24,214
again, sometimes you're gonna get twenty, thirty, forty,

823
00:29:24,214 --> 00:29:25,674
and then you get home, you're like,

824
00:29:26,029 --> 00:29:28,589
you know, I've where do I start? So,

825
00:29:28,589 --> 00:29:30,450
you know, try to pick that one thing,

826
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:32,929
from the panel. Also,

827
00:29:33,549 --> 00:29:36,349
bring some sort of contact tool, whether it

828
00:29:36,349 --> 00:29:37,569
be a business card,

829
00:29:38,714 --> 00:29:41,035
whether it be a QR code, whether it

830
00:29:41,035 --> 00:29:42,875
be a way to to scan to get

831
00:29:42,875 --> 00:29:44,095
your contact information.

832
00:29:44,795 --> 00:29:47,275
I'm still a big believer in business cards.

833
00:29:47,275 --> 00:29:48,494
I bring those home.

834
00:29:48,795 --> 00:29:50,474
I, and we we you know, as a

835
00:29:50,474 --> 00:29:52,315
vendor, we can scan your badge and we

836
00:29:52,315 --> 00:29:54,660
get your contact information. But in the hallway,

837
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,039
I'm not scanning your badge. I'm getting your

838
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,799
card or, you know, you maybe you've got

839
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,019
something for your show,

840
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,180
maybe a sticker or something.

841
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,900
But have a way to be able to

842
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,460
connect and be able to make sure that

843
00:30:07,565 --> 00:30:09,724
when you get home, you're like, I was

844
00:30:09,724 --> 00:30:11,025
talking to that guy,

845
00:30:12,285 --> 00:30:14,464
and what was his name? And

846
00:30:15,404 --> 00:30:17,164
if you have their card, you can go,

847
00:30:17,164 --> 00:30:19,404
oh, yeah. That was John, and I need

848
00:30:19,404 --> 00:30:20,845
to reach out to John. Because I do

849
00:30:20,845 --> 00:30:22,304
the same thing. I talk to

850
00:30:22,650 --> 00:30:24,269
20 people in an evening,

851
00:30:24,650 --> 00:30:25,549
and I'm like,

852
00:30:26,009 --> 00:30:27,609
oh, who is that person? And if I

853
00:30:27,609 --> 00:30:29,390
have some sort of contact information,

854
00:30:30,009 --> 00:30:32,109
at least then I can reach out later.

855
00:30:32,809 --> 00:30:34,670
And I I I think it's,

856
00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:38,375
that is probably the most important piece. And

857
00:30:38,375 --> 00:30:40,714
you may think, business cards are old school,

858
00:30:41,015 --> 00:30:43,174
but they are really effective because what you

859
00:30:43,174 --> 00:30:44,934
can do is you can take someone's business

860
00:30:44,934 --> 00:30:47,654
card, flip it over, and write a note

861
00:30:47,654 --> 00:30:49,174
on the back. Yeah. John's got a,

862
00:30:50,019 --> 00:30:52,259
you know, he's got a travel show, and

863
00:30:52,259 --> 00:30:54,259
he's been doing it for five years, and

864
00:30:54,259 --> 00:30:55,480
he has this idea.

865
00:30:55,859 --> 00:30:58,740
Maybe there's a networking opportunity. You can write

866
00:30:58,740 --> 00:31:00,420
on the back of it, and then when

867
00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:02,019
you get home, you've got that kind of

868
00:31:02,019 --> 00:31:02,680
as a

869
00:31:03,220 --> 00:31:03,720
reminder.

870
00:31:04,099 --> 00:31:04,759
Is there

871
00:31:05,444 --> 00:31:07,384
any other, you know, Mike and

872
00:31:07,924 --> 00:31:08,744
and Mackenzie,

873
00:31:09,525 --> 00:31:10,505
what what others

874
00:31:10,964 --> 00:31:13,525
advice do you get for maximizing your your

875
00:31:13,525 --> 00:31:14,505
conference experience?

876
00:31:15,204 --> 00:31:17,544
Once the expo hall is over,

877
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,720
and we get to whatever party there is

878
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,940
or the bar or whatever,

879
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,079
I just go and talk to people as

880
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,079
a person. I I don't bring up that

881
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:29,799
I work for Blueberry immediately. I don't ask

882
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:31,894
them about their podcast. I'm just like, hey.

883
00:31:31,894 --> 00:31:33,255
What's up? I just talked to him as

884
00:31:33,255 --> 00:31:35,194
a person. Like, I'm in a bar

885
00:31:35,734 --> 00:31:38,315
at home on a Wednesday night.

886
00:31:39,494 --> 00:31:41,174
Because I think at that point, like, people

887
00:31:41,174 --> 00:31:42,855
are kinda getting to the point where they're

888
00:31:42,855 --> 00:31:44,954
like, I can't talk about this anymore

889
00:31:45,414 --> 00:31:46,875
or including myself.

890
00:31:47,220 --> 00:31:47,720
But,

891
00:31:48,179 --> 00:31:50,819
also, it's just easier to, you know, kinda

892
00:31:50,819 --> 00:31:52,919
go up to anyone instead of being like,

893
00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:53,720
hi.

894
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:56,740
Can we do speed dating about podcasting right

895
00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:58,500
now? Like, it's just I I you know,

896
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,819
I we've already we've been here for twelve

897
00:32:00,819 --> 00:32:01,640
hours already.

898
00:32:02,179 --> 00:32:02,954
What's up?

899
00:32:03,434 --> 00:32:05,434
Like, that's what I wanna know. Spend all

900
00:32:05,434 --> 00:32:08,474
spend all day giving elevator pitches and, you

901
00:32:08,474 --> 00:32:11,034
know, you're kinda over it. That's exactly what

902
00:32:11,034 --> 00:32:13,994
I mean. Anybody else have any takeaways about

903
00:32:13,994 --> 00:32:15,855
maximizing your conference experience?

904
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,279
Well, I would just say that, you know,

905
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,279
no matter what conference that you go to,

906
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:22,299
it is going to expand your horizons.

907
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:23,639
You're going to,

908
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,839
you know, probably be blown away by the

909
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:29,740
diversity of, you know, different kind of podcasts.

910
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,315
I mean, we just came from travel con

911
00:32:32,315 --> 00:32:34,234
and we did not know before then that

912
00:32:34,234 --> 00:32:37,855
there are adventure travel podcasts, sustainable travel, culinary

913
00:32:37,994 --> 00:32:38,494
food,

914
00:32:39,595 --> 00:32:42,234
points and miles, you know, podcasts. So, yeah,

915
00:32:42,234 --> 00:32:44,474
it's gonna expand your mind and it's gonna

916
00:32:44,474 --> 00:32:45,774
make room for really

917
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:47,579
outstanding collaborations

918
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,419
if, you're open to that.

919
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:52,599
Yeah. I would agree with Kathy because it's

920
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,319
like we didn't need people who were I

921
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:56,759
wanna do a podcast about this, but I

922
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:59,319
don't know if anyone's gonna wanna listen. And

923
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:00,919
I'm like, we've already talked to three people

924
00:33:00,919 --> 00:33:03,535
who that's their podcast. So it's like it's

925
00:33:03,535 --> 00:33:05,934
like people are already listening to that type

926
00:33:05,934 --> 00:33:06,914
type of content.

927
00:33:07,295 --> 00:33:10,195
And then, like, my my advice would be

928
00:33:10,735 --> 00:33:13,394
bringing some type of folder

929
00:33:13,775 --> 00:33:15,715
or some type of bag because

930
00:33:16,059 --> 00:33:18,140
while this is a very digital age, people

931
00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:19,359
are gonna give you paper,

932
00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:21,099
and you need to be able to put

933
00:33:21,099 --> 00:33:22,940
that paper somewhere. And some people, they would

934
00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:24,700
just have to just, like, carrying around, like,

935
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:26,220
a stack of paper or, like, folding up

936
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:27,740
and, like, putting them in, like, a tiny

937
00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:29,894
tote bag. And it's, like, you you're gonna

938
00:33:29,894 --> 00:33:31,575
have some kind of materials from this. And

939
00:33:31,575 --> 00:33:32,855
like you said, like, if you have business

940
00:33:32,855 --> 00:33:34,534
cards and just being able to shove all

941
00:33:34,534 --> 00:33:35,914
that into one reciprocal

942
00:33:36,615 --> 00:33:38,375
and then going home or going back to

943
00:33:38,375 --> 00:33:40,134
your hotel and, like, laying it out and

944
00:33:40,134 --> 00:33:41,654
be like, okay. What do I want? What

945
00:33:41,654 --> 00:33:43,420
do I need? What do I say? Just

946
00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:45,420
because, like Todd said, like, you're talking to

947
00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:46,859
a bunch of people. You're going to a

948
00:33:46,859 --> 00:33:47,599
bunch of different,

949
00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:51,339
conversations, a bunch of different sessions. There's always

950
00:33:51,339 --> 00:33:53,580
gonna be a bunch of different booths. Like,

951
00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:55,259
it's gonna be hard for you to remember.

952
00:33:55,259 --> 00:33:56,880
You know, it's just so much cognitive

953
00:33:57,224 --> 00:33:58,825
overload that's gonna happen at first that it's

954
00:33:58,825 --> 00:34:00,664
like, okay. Once you're back at your hotel

955
00:34:00,664 --> 00:34:01,865
room, you'd be like, okay. I got this

956
00:34:01,865 --> 00:34:03,545
card from this person. I got this flyer

957
00:34:03,545 --> 00:34:05,944
from this spoof. Like, this is useful. Like,

958
00:34:05,944 --> 00:34:08,585
this one's not. Like and so, like, taking

959
00:34:08,664 --> 00:34:10,184
so, like, making sure you have some kind

960
00:34:10,184 --> 00:34:12,650
of receptacle to carry all that stuff in

961
00:34:12,650 --> 00:34:14,890
is definitely gonna help you from, you know,

962
00:34:14,890 --> 00:34:17,070
keeping it and not, like, leaving it somewhere,

963
00:34:17,530 --> 00:34:19,610
later throughout the day. Sometimes I take a

964
00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:21,950
selfie with the person or their booth

965
00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:23,390
because

966
00:34:24,025 --> 00:34:24,764
I'm horrible.

967
00:34:25,065 --> 00:34:28,105
I'm really horrible about putting faces to names

968
00:34:28,105 --> 00:34:28,605
later.

969
00:34:29,144 --> 00:34:31,864
So for me, if I have their card

970
00:34:31,864 --> 00:34:33,385
and I have a selfie, I just oh,

971
00:34:33,385 --> 00:34:36,125
yeah. I remember. And then it helps me

972
00:34:36,184 --> 00:34:36,925
with that,

973
00:34:37,385 --> 00:34:38,605
you know, that reconnect.

974
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:42,230
So that's what I often do myself is

975
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:44,309
take a selfie or or take a picture

976
00:34:44,309 --> 00:34:46,150
of their booth before I leave so I

977
00:34:46,150 --> 00:34:49,030
can remember more on but if you're one

978
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:50,949
of these people who have a photographic memory

979
00:34:50,949 --> 00:34:52,710
and you can remember every person you talk

980
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:55,214
to, you know, Bless you because that is

981
00:34:55,214 --> 00:34:55,954
not me.

982
00:34:57,775 --> 00:34:59,855
You know, and I it's it's like people

983
00:34:59,855 --> 00:35:01,614
I've talked to for years, sometimes I have

984
00:35:01,614 --> 00:35:03,375
to look at their badge. Oh, yeah. That's

985
00:35:03,375 --> 00:35:03,875
Tony.

986
00:35:04,974 --> 00:35:06,974
It's it's horrible, but, you know, some people

987
00:35:06,974 --> 00:35:08,755
are better at it than others. So,

988
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:11,170
don't be afraid to look at their badge

989
00:35:11,170 --> 00:35:13,090
if you don't remember their name or want

990
00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:14,530
to know their name. That's the good thing

991
00:35:14,530 --> 00:35:16,930
about conferences as well. Everyone's got a badge

992
00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:18,530
with their name on it. I'll give one

993
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:20,450
last piece of advice for that is,

994
00:35:21,364 --> 00:35:24,105
bring liquid IV, comfortable shoes,

995
00:35:24,885 --> 00:35:25,204
and,

996
00:35:25,764 --> 00:35:28,025
maybe a granola bar. I've been to,

997
00:35:28,565 --> 00:35:29,065
like,

998
00:35:29,605 --> 00:35:32,184
70 plus podcast conferences and,

999
00:35:33,125 --> 00:35:35,525
you know, a couple dozen music festivals that

1000
00:35:35,525 --> 00:35:37,460
will keep you alive. I promise you.

1001
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,639
Especially gonna say the exact same thing. It'll

1002
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:43,039
happen now. Yeah. We we we all wear

1003
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:44,480
tennis shoes at these events,

1004
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:47,359
just because your feet are gonna hurt by

1005
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:48,800
the end of the day. You've been standing

1006
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,194
on a very thin carpet with a concrete

1007
00:35:51,194 --> 00:35:52,974
floor underneath you and, you know,

1008
00:35:53,275 --> 00:35:54,474
you you sit down in your room and

1009
00:35:54,474 --> 00:35:55,375
your feet go.

1010
00:35:56,474 --> 00:35:59,114
So, yeah, comfortable shoes is good. So let's

1011
00:35:59,114 --> 00:36:01,295
talk about some takeaways here.

1012
00:36:01,739 --> 00:36:04,539
I've always thought that going to a trade

1013
00:36:04,539 --> 00:36:05,900
show is a great way to build your

1014
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:06,400
business.

1015
00:36:07,019 --> 00:36:09,500
It can be a real game changer for

1016
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:11,119
you because you're gonna make connections.

1017
00:36:12,059 --> 00:36:13,760
You may have business opportunities

1018
00:36:14,059 --> 00:36:16,239
that come to light. Maybe there's a network

1019
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:16,880
option.

1020
00:36:17,424 --> 00:36:20,065
You just never know what's gonna come out

1021
00:36:20,065 --> 00:36:20,885
of an event.

1022
00:36:21,505 --> 00:36:22,005
Oftentimes,

1023
00:36:22,304 --> 00:36:24,164
someone will come up to me and

1024
00:36:24,464 --> 00:36:26,565
they'll start talking and I'll be like, okay.

1025
00:36:26,944 --> 00:36:27,924
Say that again

1026
00:36:28,304 --> 00:36:28,804
because

1027
00:36:29,105 --> 00:36:30,944
I wanna really pay attention to what they're

1028
00:36:30,944 --> 00:36:32,760
saying. And then all of a sudden, like,

1029
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,360
oh my god. We'd have to have a

1030
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:34,860
call

1031
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,219
after the show.

1032
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,340
And

1033
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:40,760
so you just never know what's gonna happen

1034
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,900
to grow your business.

1035
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,880
Also a tax write off. You can pay

1036
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,820
for this with your business. That's true.

1037
00:36:46,964 --> 00:36:48,324
If you're trying to figure out how to

1038
00:36:48,324 --> 00:36:50,484
afford it, that is how. Yeah. That'll make

1039
00:36:50,484 --> 00:36:53,284
your partner happy, especially if you're you're doing

1040
00:36:53,284 --> 00:36:55,125
this as a hobby or you're just getting

1041
00:36:55,125 --> 00:36:56,724
started and you're not making a lot of

1042
00:36:56,724 --> 00:36:57,224
money.

1043
00:36:57,844 --> 00:36:59,525
Yes. It is a it is a nice

1044
00:36:59,525 --> 00:37:01,920
tax write off and a completely legal one

1045
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,900
for sure. Airfare, hotel, food,

1046
00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:07,039
the whole nine yards. Of course, check with

1047
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,679
your tax accountant. But, again, you can virtually

1048
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:11,619
write everything off from door to door.

1049
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,299
Any other takeaways?

1050
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:15,599
No. I'm just soaking it all up like

1051
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:17,804
a sponge so I'm ready when London comes

1052
00:37:17,804 --> 00:37:18,304
around.

1053
00:37:19,485 --> 00:37:21,244
Okay. What else do we have this year?

1054
00:37:21,244 --> 00:37:22,545
We have Podcast Movement,

1055
00:37:22,844 --> 00:37:25,505
the big one in Dallas in August. Mhmm.

1056
00:37:25,724 --> 00:37:27,905
And I think we're kinda undecided

1057
00:37:28,204 --> 00:37:29,619
for the for the rest of the year.

1058
00:37:29,619 --> 00:37:32,659
Yeah. There might be one in Vegas at

1059
00:37:32,659 --> 00:37:35,339
the end of the year, but we're Mhmm.

1060
00:37:35,619 --> 00:37:36,599
We're determining.

1061
00:37:37,539 --> 00:37:39,860
So Yeah. But is our conference that any

1062
00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:41,460
of you that are listening go to that

1063
00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:42,599
you think we should go?

1064
00:37:43,094 --> 00:37:45,594
Is there something in your genre of content?

1065
00:37:46,054 --> 00:37:47,574
Because that's what I did when I started

1066
00:37:47,574 --> 00:37:49,974
doing my show. I went to I well,

1067
00:37:49,974 --> 00:37:51,335
this is the first year I didn't go

1068
00:37:51,335 --> 00:37:52,695
in many years, but I go to the

1069
00:37:52,695 --> 00:37:55,335
CES show as a tech maven. You go

1070
00:37:55,335 --> 00:37:57,175
there and soak up all the tech gear

1071
00:37:57,175 --> 00:37:58,769
for a for techie.

1072
00:37:59,070 --> 00:38:00,829
Is there a trade show that you go

1073
00:38:00,829 --> 00:38:02,590
to that you think we should go to

1074
00:38:02,590 --> 00:38:03,090
to

1075
00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:06,690
represent podcasting and share the,

1076
00:38:07,070 --> 00:38:09,789
I guess, the gospel of podcasting? Kind of

1077
00:38:09,789 --> 00:38:11,150
a weird way to say it, but, you

1078
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:13,250
know, this is essentially what we do.

1079
00:38:13,864 --> 00:38:16,425
No. A lot of these conferences are, you

1080
00:38:16,425 --> 00:38:19,224
know, whatever genre, there's always gonna be some

1081
00:38:19,224 --> 00:38:21,244
sort of content creators. So,

1082
00:38:21,704 --> 00:38:24,025
definitely, if you go, let us know. We

1083
00:38:24,025 --> 00:38:24,764
might go.

1084
00:38:25,065 --> 00:38:26,150
Yeah. I would say,

1085
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:29,269
BinCon is coming up in September, and I

1086
00:38:29,269 --> 00:38:30,630
don't know that we'll be able to go

1087
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:32,489
to that. But that's a nice business

1088
00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:33,610
niche

1089
00:38:33,989 --> 00:38:35,289
for business podcasters,

1090
00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:38,650
who are looking to expand their shows or,

1091
00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:40,550
knowledge on it. So

1092
00:38:41,295 --> 00:38:43,315
Bin Khan for a first time attendee,

1093
00:38:45,054 --> 00:38:46,275
drink lots of water,

1094
00:38:46,894 --> 00:38:47,635
be prepared,

1095
00:38:48,494 --> 00:38:50,815
that would be one that you will not

1096
00:38:50,815 --> 00:38:52,974
get much sleep from. It's a it's a

1097
00:38:52,974 --> 00:38:54,034
massive conference,

1098
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:56,069
and they

1099
00:38:56,369 --> 00:38:58,289
keep you very, very busy the entire time

1100
00:38:58,289 --> 00:38:59,030
for sure.

1101
00:39:00,449 --> 00:39:02,210
But are you attending a podcast conference this

1102
00:39:02,210 --> 00:39:04,609
year? Which one are you most excited about?

1103
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:05,510
Let us know.

1104
00:39:05,969 --> 00:39:08,130
And, of course, we we will feature your

1105
00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:10,594
thoughts in a future episode if you let

1106
00:39:10,594 --> 00:39:12,434
us know. It's very easy to do so.

1107
00:39:12,434 --> 00:39:13,414
Contact information

1108
00:39:13,954 --> 00:39:15,554
is in the show notes and in the

1109
00:39:15,554 --> 00:39:16,054
outro.

1110
00:39:16,514 --> 00:39:18,994
Any other thoughts from the team here? Looking

1111
00:39:18,994 --> 00:39:20,775
forward to seeing people in Chicago.

1112
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:21,900
Have fun.

1113
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,760
Yeah. And if you're coming to London, make

1114
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,280
sure you stop by the booth. We're gonna

1115
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,380
have some very, very cool giveaways.

1116
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,079
Stop by and say hello to Dave and

1117
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,159
I, and tell us where we should go

1118
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:33,820
to eat.

1119
00:39:34,525 --> 00:39:35,025
Yes.

1120
00:39:36,605 --> 00:39:39,005
Food is important. That's all I've been looking

1121
00:39:39,005 --> 00:39:41,164
at. Are we going to a podcast conference,

1122
00:39:41,164 --> 00:39:42,445
or are we just going to London to

1123
00:39:42,445 --> 00:39:45,005
eat? Because that's what my search history shows.

1124
00:39:45,005 --> 00:39:46,284
Well, I tell you, I Hey. You know

1125
00:39:46,284 --> 00:39:48,605
what? One more practical thing. If you're,

1126
00:39:49,269 --> 00:39:51,349
if you're running a booth at a at

1127
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:52,090
a conference,

1128
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,489
probably doesn't apply to very many people,

1129
00:39:55,110 --> 00:39:57,530
when you can get lunch, get lunch.

1130
00:39:57,989 --> 00:39:59,690
Get lunch. Otherwise, you'll starve.

1131
00:40:00,230 --> 00:40:02,250
Yeah. That's exactly the truth.

1132
00:40:02,614 --> 00:40:04,315
Eat a big breakfast. Speaking

1133
00:40:04,855 --> 00:40:06,614
speaking of food, it was so funny. We

1134
00:40:06,614 --> 00:40:08,934
had, like, someone, like, just run over to

1135
00:40:08,934 --> 00:40:10,454
our boob and was like, I'm sorry. Could

1136
00:40:10,454 --> 00:40:11,974
I get one of your stickers? My son

1137
00:40:11,974 --> 00:40:12,795
loves blueberries.

1138
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:15,910
Yeah. Because I took, like, one of our

1139
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:17,910
holographic logos because he was like, he just

1140
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:20,390
love blueberries. He's gonna love this. So definitely

1141
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:22,789
having some fun since we're going back to

1142
00:40:22,789 --> 00:40:24,809
the booth thing, having some fun stickers,

1143
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:26,090
having something,

1144
00:40:27,605 --> 00:40:29,364
that people can easily, like, take away as,

1145
00:40:29,364 --> 00:40:30,744
like, a almost like a souvenir,

1146
00:40:32,005 --> 00:40:34,005
it would also be, like, you know, a

1147
00:40:34,005 --> 00:40:35,944
great way to be memorable by that person.

1148
00:40:36,484 --> 00:40:38,025
Yeah. The pens were a hit.

1149
00:40:38,405 --> 00:40:39,690
The pens were a hit.

1150
00:40:40,089 --> 00:40:42,250
The swag is always good, so go swag

1151
00:40:42,250 --> 00:40:43,710
hunting when you go to events

1152
00:40:44,010 --> 00:40:44,750
for sure.

1153
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:47,069
Well, from Mike, Kathy,

1154
00:40:47,369 --> 00:40:49,150
Mackenzie, Aaron, and Dave,

1155
00:40:49,690 --> 00:40:52,109
thank you all for listening to Podcast Insider,

1156
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:53,869
and, we look forward

1157
00:40:54,244 --> 00:40:56,724
to seeing you at an upcoming podcasting event

1158
00:40:56,724 --> 00:40:58,744
or hearing where you went

1159
00:40:59,125 --> 00:41:00,644
and what you learned. So thank you so

1160
00:41:00,644 --> 00:41:03,045
much for, hanging out with us. Thanks, everyone.

1161
00:41:03,045 --> 00:41:05,065
Thanks, Al. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you.

1162
00:41:05,364 --> 00:41:07,765
Thanks for joining us. Come back next week.

1163
00:41:07,765 --> 00:41:08,744
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1164
00:41:09,059 --> 00:41:11,300
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1165
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:12,280
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1166
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,480
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