Podcast Burnout: How to Keep Your Show Sustainable – PCI 483

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- Welcome to Podcast Insider. My name is Mackenzie

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- Bennett. I'm here with Mike and Dave, all

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- from the Blueberry team. Thanks for joining me,

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- guys.

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- Yeah.

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- Yeah. Good to be here,

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- as usual.

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- Yeah. We're getting back in the swing of

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- things with this podcast

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- and,

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- trying to make it a little bit easier

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- on ourselves and, hopefully, a little bit more

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- enjoyable for you guys' listeners.

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- Today, we've got

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- burnout podcast burnout. And how do you stop

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- that from happening? Why,

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- in general, like, how does that work? We've

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- all been doing podcasts for a long, long

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- time now, so I think we all have

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- a bit to say about it.

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- Yeah. For sure.

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- Great minds, man. We're just Mike and I

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- are just gonna mimic each other the whole

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- time. We're gonna say the exact same things.

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- That's what we're here for.

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- Well, you know, my my history of podcasting

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- is I start a lot of shows

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- and then stop a lot of shows.

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- And and a lot of times, it is

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- burnout.

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- Not that you know, I I don't feel

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- overworked

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- necessarily,

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- but just sometimes you burn out on the

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- topic.

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- Mhmm. You know, in my case, you know,

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- I started a show about

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- something, and then, you know,

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- six months down the road, that something isn't

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- as interesting as it once was.

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- And, you know, that can be a source

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- of burnout.

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- You know, another one that I've run across,

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- not necessarily me, but, you know, a schedule.

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- You know? Oh my gosh. We gotta get

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- a show out today. You know? And that

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- can be trying, especially when life happens.

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- Yeah. Those are probably

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- two of the most common things that

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- I've heard talking to podcasters

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- and running into that myself.

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- And I am a person who

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- will bounce from excited idea to excited idea.

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- So I've actually gotten to a point where

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- I'm like, I do not create a new

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- podcast unless I know that I will, you

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- know,

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- be able to focus on it

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- and

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- spend quality time

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- producing it because

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- I I will

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- I'll jump ship so fast.

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- It it's bad when when, like, you know,

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- start a show as a test or something

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- like that, and we can do that willy

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- deleted I don't know how many shows in

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- the last eight years. It's crazy.

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- To be honest, I feel like both of

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- you have a bit of a case of,

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- podcast abandonment.

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- Well yeah.

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- Sorta, kinda.

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- There's no I mean, that's totally fine. But,

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- also, at the same time, like, do you

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- think maybe that's happened because you did start

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- a show that

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- then you got burnout on?

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- Yeah. Well, like I said, in my case,

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- it's,

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- you know, either I

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- overcommit

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- I'm really interested in for a short period

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- You know what I mean?

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- you know, like my normal

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- show that I do, I I don't have

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- I don't have a particular topic,

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- I don't do it particularly often. But I

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- But I've built that one in such a

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- way that I can't burn out on it

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- because if I don't feel like making a

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- podcast, I just don't make one

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- I think, you know, like I said, the

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- biggest thing is overcommitting to a schedule

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- Sometimes it's just good to flip the mic

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- where, you know, we're not doing

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- You know? We're just,

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- you know, three of us getting on here

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- and shooting the breeze about a particular subject

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- around podcasting.

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- Mhmm.

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- So it's gonna be harder to burn out

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- than it would be, you know, a very

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- effort has to be put in and are

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- Yeah. I think for me,

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- I love having ideas.

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- I love daydreaming and going, oh, this is

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- this is a cool thing I could do.

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- I have the resources to do it

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- So I don't know if it's burnout necessarily.

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- I stopped doing that because I wasn't burn

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- it's not one formula that leads to burnout.

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- So what do we think

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- it changing it to less episodes? Is it

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- And, again, it's, like, it's unique to that

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- person in that show.

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- Like Mike was saying, like, Podcast Insider,

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- we're gonna keep doing it because

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- So it's a little harder to be like,

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- And so re you know, changing the format

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- Okay. No. I'm going to. I'm going to.

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- And Right. Yeah. And that's, you know, it's

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- super easy. And and that's you know, I

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- Weekly seems to be the sweet spot. You

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- You know? And it works for the creator.

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- I mean, it's very popular to happen over

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- the summer, though. Yeah. Summer and holidays.

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- Those are definitely the two that get away

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- like, our video content,

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- the more I I think about the processes

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- people are taking to make their show. And

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- they are they think they have to do

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- all of the things on day one.

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- They, you know, they have to be doing,

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- you know, high end video production. They have

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- effects and, like, all of the things. And

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- it. And

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- by,

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- you know, episode three, episode five, that they're

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- just not having fun with it anymore. And

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- I know not everybody podcasts to have fun,

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- but there has to be an element of

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- the company

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- to our audience.

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- I I see this all the time when

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- on Reddit and on social looking for stuff.

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- It's just people like, oh, here are, like,

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- 15 things I need.

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- Can you give me more suggestions of more

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- things that I need

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- rather than just going, okay. This is episode

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- one. It's not gonna be perfect, but I'm

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- looking ahead to what I want episode 25

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- or 100 to be.

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- I I think it a lot of it

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- is a mindset thing,

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- and

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- you don't know you're going to burn out

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- in those beginning days

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- because you're not thinking about the later days.

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- Does that make any sense at all? Yeah.

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- Yeah. For sure. I took the long way

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- around to explain that like usual.

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- You you start a podcast and then you

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- slowly start to lose the horizon sometimes.

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- Yeah. Yeah. Well, you didn't you think too

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- far ahead. You know? And that's,

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- I guess, not bad. You know, long term

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- planning is

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- is not necessarily a bad thing, but

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- Yeah. Talk you know, think thinking about what

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- you're gonna do six episodes from now,

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- maybe

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- realistic, may maybe not. You know? With this

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- one, we're gonna try to, you know, stay

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- topical to what's going on in the industry

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- and what's going on around Blueberry and what's

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- going on, you know, with us individually.

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- it probably would be hard to plan it

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- out too far in advance,

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- though we do have a list of

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- of

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- proposed topics for, each of our recording sessions,

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- and there's nothing wrong with that. And and

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- but we can switch it up if we

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- need to. And that's the other thing to

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- avoid burnout. Switch it up some. You know,

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- do something different.

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- You know, don't stick to a format

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- that is becoming

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- hard for you to do. You know? Maybe

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- do something completely different for one episode.

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- You know, on one of my shows, when

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- the AI voice thing was happening and before

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- it was turned it called

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- AI Slop,

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- I thought, what the heck? So I cloned

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- my voice on, on one of the AIs

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- and then wrote a script and had the

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- thing read it. And

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- okay. Yeah. You know, I don't wanna put

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- that out all the time, but I thought

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- that was pretty cool. You know, and it

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- definitely did not sound like I mean, it

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- sounded like me, but did not sound like

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- the way I normally talk.

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- You know? And it was obviously AI, and

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- said it right there. This is AI. I'm

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- playing with it.

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- But, you know, do something experimental.

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- You know, if you don't do video, maybe

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- throw a video up one time.

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- Why not?

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- Now I'm actually curious,

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- Mackenzie, to hear burnout from your point of

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- view when it comes to podcasting because you've

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- been doing the company show for a long

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- time. Yeah.

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- Yeah. I should say company shows.

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- It's same show, different title. I think that's

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- the

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- the essence of it. So PowerPress podcast. You

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- you know, we threw you to the wolves

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- and said, here. Do this.

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- So yeah. I mean,

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- whenever I was doing, pod or the PowerPress

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- podcast,

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- I started doing that for Blueberry in

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- spring of twenty fifteen.

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- And I think it was

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- 2018, 2019

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- when

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- when Todd came to me, and he was

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- like,

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- you're done. He was like he he's like

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- he he's like, you're not saying you're done,

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- but, like, I can tell that you are

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- with it.

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- I you know,

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- I was like, well, I'm not gonna tell

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- my boss that I'm done with this right

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- now, but that is he was correct

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- in in, you know, changing courses because I

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- was done with it.

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- It was just one of those things that

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- at the end of the day, I was

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- like, I've been doing this for a couple

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- years. I'm having trouble getting guests. I don't

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- enjoy

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- the recording setup that we have currently in

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- this office for it. I was just like,

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- it's not

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- a joy

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- in my workday anymore.

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- And for many years, you know, on and

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- off over these times, like, that has definitely

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- been a joy doing the podcast.

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- And at that time, it was it definitely

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- was not, and I

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- he could tell that I was burnt out

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- on it for sure.

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- Yeah. So

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- I got a break for a while there.

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- Todd and Mike did a show

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- that I

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- honestly forget the name of right now.

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- And then Was it your podcast?

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- Yeah. That's what it was. It was your

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- pod you guys did that for a while.

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- Yeah. It was it was definitely your podcast.

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- It's still in the system somewhere.

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- But after that, we you know? And then

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- you guys did that for a couple years,

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- and then we hit,

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- COVID.

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- And and you guys were like, alright. We

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- need to change it up. It's been a

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- couple years.

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- The two of us are burnout doing this.

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- Let's add it. Let's bring Mackenzie back into

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- this.

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- Give it some new life again because that

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- is kinda what you have to do every

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- couple of years if, you know, if you're

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- doing a show

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- once a week or so for all for

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- that amount of time, you do need to

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- change things up like you guys said.

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- So I think it's all, you know, from

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- that perspective,

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- maybe advocate for yourself and for the show

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- better

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- because I don't think I was doing that.

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- I think I was just like, oh,

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- drag it. Like, being pulled along for a

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- minute there, and, I probably should've just spoken

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- up. I mean, Todd would've been fine with

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- it. I just, like, didn't go with that

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- battle.

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- Yeah. I I know, like, Todd was always

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- the advocate for

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- you never take a break. You do an

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- episode every week unless

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- you absolutely cannot. And I remember, like, when

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- I started working here just being like, I

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- can't do that. Like Yeah. That that that

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- makes me uncomfortable.

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- Like, I have to take breaks. Like, I

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- have I have a family that needs me

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- to, like,

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- do all of the the family things. I

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- you know? And

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- that's not a slight against Todd in the

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- least. It was just he had the ability

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- to just

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- go.

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- And

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- I I think my advice now

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- would be

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- build in some breaks

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- into your

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- show. Like, if it's if it's close to,

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- like, Thanksgiving and Christmas here in The US,

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- just take a break or prerecord so that

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- maybe there is something or there's something special

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- because you're gonna be busy those times of

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- year. So

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- so take a break so that

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- it just it's good for you, but it's

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- also working for your audience. And then also

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- make sure that you're taking a vacation.

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- Again, you can work ahead if you don't

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- wanna miss a single week if you're doing

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- weekly. But,

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- yeah, like you said, advocate for yourself

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- because that is going to

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- help the the show in the end.

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- Yeah. I don't think I ever really thought

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- about it until

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- until now, but that's

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- that's definitely part of it. You know? It's,

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- those guilt free breaks that you give yourself.

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- I don't know what that is.

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- Well, you know, in this and you you

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- mentioned it before, Mackenzie,

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- summertime,

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- you know,

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- at least in the Northern Hemisphere,

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- is,

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- you know, a time where there's a lot

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- of busy happening.

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- You know, people travel, people have vacations, they

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- go to the beach, they got, you know,

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- lawn work to do, all the

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- stuff that kinda gets in the way.

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- There's no there's no shame in taking a

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- you know, take a week off, take a

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- couple weeks off,

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- from your podcast if that's what you wanna

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- do.

535
00:18:44.539 --> 00:18:45.039
- Yeah.

536
00:18:45.819 --> 00:18:46.880
- Again, you know,

537
00:18:47.500 --> 00:18:49.900
- pick pick a crappy day and record four

538
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- episodes, and then you know?

539
00:18:52.700 --> 00:18:54.619
- There there's there's ways around it if you

540
00:18:54.619 --> 00:18:57.404
- wanna keep on schedule. And, you know, best

541
00:18:57.404 --> 00:18:59.404
- practice is to be on some sort of

542
00:18:59.404 --> 00:19:01.904
- schedule so people know when to expect episodes,

543
00:19:02.204 --> 00:19:03.825
- but it's not a requirement.

544
00:19:04.605 --> 00:19:07.085
- And, you know, again, there's no rules in

545
00:19:07.085 --> 00:19:08.384
- podcasting, really.

546
00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:10.640
- Do do what works for you if you

547
00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:11.859
- wanna keep doing it.

548
00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:14.720
- And I think another thing is, like and

549
00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:16.400
- I think we're gonna talk about this in

550
00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:17.619
- the future. But

551
00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:20.820
- we've seen in podcasting this

552
00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:23.059
- uptick in people who are

553
00:19:23.945 --> 00:19:24.845
- making a show

554
00:19:25.305 --> 00:19:28.424
- as a side gig. You know? Well, let

555
00:19:28.424 --> 00:19:31.065
- me let me make some money doing something

556
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- that I'm enjoying doing.

557
00:19:32.904 --> 00:19:34.045
- And I think sometimes

558
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- when

559
00:19:35.865 --> 00:19:36.845
- that is how

560
00:19:37.210 --> 00:19:39.610
- you're framing it because I I kinda ran

561
00:19:39.610 --> 00:19:41.390
- into this with the

562
00:19:42.250 --> 00:19:44.410
- the show I just got done doing where

563
00:19:44.410 --> 00:19:46.170
- I was like, I don't know. This is

564
00:19:46.170 --> 00:19:48.170
- kind of the thing that I would love

565
00:19:48.170 --> 00:19:50.250
- to do for a living. I I love

566
00:19:50.250 --> 00:19:53.595
- helping podcasters, but, like, producing this real fun

567
00:19:53.595 --> 00:19:57.035
- audio drama, that would just be, like, that

568
00:19:57.035 --> 00:19:58.654
- would be the dream job.

569
00:19:59.035 --> 00:20:01.615
- And so it's really easy to

570
00:20:02.394 --> 00:20:03.375
- get yourself

571
00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:06.440
- working so much on that thing and working

572
00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:08.539
- toward that dream that is way far

573
00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:09.900
- down the way

574
00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:13.579
- that you burnout will sneak up on you.

575
00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:15.640
- You know, especially when you're like, well, this

576
00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:17.000
- is a way for me to bring in

577
00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:18.059
- some extra money.

578
00:20:18.875 --> 00:20:20.794
- You know, things are tight. Like, I I'm

579
00:20:20.794 --> 00:20:22.014
- not gonna deny that.

580
00:20:22.315 --> 00:20:22.815
- But

581
00:20:23.115 --> 00:20:25.674
- sometimes that just kinda clouds your judgment. So

582
00:20:25.674 --> 00:20:26.575
- I would recommend,

583
00:20:27.274 --> 00:20:29.694
- you know, keep that keep that dream

584
00:20:30.315 --> 00:20:31.534
- living on your wall,

585
00:20:31.835 --> 00:20:33.534
- but also, like, don't

586
00:20:34.099 --> 00:20:35.480
- don't sacrifice yourself,

587
00:20:37.940 --> 00:20:39.859
- to get to that dream. You know? Don't

588
00:20:39.859 --> 00:20:41.700
- hurt yourself. Otherwise, you're just not gonna make

589
00:20:41.700 --> 00:20:42.759
- it to that dream.

590
00:20:43.299 --> 00:20:45.080
- Yeah. That's, what is it?

591
00:20:45.539 --> 00:20:46.200
- You know?

592
00:20:46.820 --> 00:20:48.580
- Something is on fire, but you don't have

593
00:20:48.580 --> 00:20:49.799
- to burn yourself down.

594
00:20:50.644 --> 00:20:52.184
- Awesome. Along those lines,

595
00:20:52.565 --> 00:20:54.345
- don't let your podcast be that.

596
00:20:55.525 --> 00:20:57.605
- I guess so we don't burn out. Let's,

597
00:20:57.845 --> 00:20:59.625
- cut this episode short.

598
00:21:02.660 --> 00:21:03.140
- Just,

599
00:21:04.660 --> 00:21:06.819
- yeah, I guess the the takeaway I I

600
00:21:06.819 --> 00:21:08.920
- would come from this is just,

601
00:21:09.380 --> 00:21:11.720
- you know, do do what works for you.

602
00:21:12.420 --> 00:21:13.859
- If you need to take a break, take

603
00:21:13.859 --> 00:21:16.404
- a break. If you need to change your

604
00:21:16.404 --> 00:21:18.904
- schedule, change the show format, do

605
00:21:19.284 --> 00:21:21.065
- do do whatever it takes

606
00:21:21.444 --> 00:21:21.764
- to,

607
00:21:22.565 --> 00:21:24.325
- make it so you know, or change topics.

608
00:21:24.325 --> 00:21:26.565
- I've had shows that I've listened to that

609
00:21:26.565 --> 00:21:28.890
- did change topics over the years. You know,

610
00:21:28.890 --> 00:21:30.730
- if you're doing a show about cats, don't

611
00:21:30.730 --> 00:21:32.730
- start doing a show about horses on the

612
00:21:32.730 --> 00:21:34.970
- same feed. That's kinda weird. But but, you

613
00:21:34.970 --> 00:21:36.589
- know, change up the topic,

614
00:21:37.210 --> 00:21:40.009
- maybe a little bit. You know, like, with

615
00:21:40.009 --> 00:21:42.190
- us, you know, we when we were doing

616
00:21:42.795 --> 00:21:45.595
- your podcast, it was all you know, it's

617
00:21:45.595 --> 00:21:47.215
- kinda like what we're doing here,

618
00:21:47.755 --> 00:21:48.654
- talking about

619
00:21:49.275 --> 00:21:52.315
- things that podcasters should think about, or we

620
00:21:52.315 --> 00:21:54.075
- talked about that kind of thing. When we

621
00:21:54.075 --> 00:21:55.289
- switched it to Podcast

622
00:21:55.609 --> 00:21:57.289
- Insider for the first bit of it, we

623
00:21:57.289 --> 00:21:59.390
- were doing a lot of topical news.

624
00:21:59.690 --> 00:22:01.769
- And then we kinda got away from that

625
00:22:01.769 --> 00:22:04.330
- in in one of our revamps. And, you

626
00:22:04.330 --> 00:22:06.650
- know, so, you know, changing the topic up

627
00:22:06.650 --> 00:22:08.809
- a little bit is not a bad idea

628
00:22:08.809 --> 00:22:09.224
- either.

629
00:22:09.625 --> 00:22:11.224
- Like you said, Mike, like, there's not really

630
00:22:11.224 --> 00:22:13.065
- any rules. You have to do what works

631
00:22:13.065 --> 00:22:14.505
- for you and do what works for your

632
00:22:14.505 --> 00:22:17.704
- audience. But Yeah. Don't don't hit this burnout

633
00:22:17.704 --> 00:22:20.444
- wall so hard that you just you're done.

634
00:22:21.065 --> 00:22:22.825
- Because I think we have some really good

635
00:22:22.825 --> 00:22:23.325
- podcasters

636
00:22:23.625 --> 00:22:24.525
- out there that,

637
00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:26.559
- you know, they just they burn out, and

638
00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:28.000
- they're just like, I'm done. I'm over it.

639
00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:30.159
- And I've I've been one of those people

640
00:22:30.159 --> 00:22:32.240
- for the longest time. You know, when I

641
00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:34.559
- stopped doing the show I was doing, I

642
00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:36.319
- was just like, I can't do another one.

643
00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:38.819
- I can't put that much of myself into

644
00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:39.380
- something

645
00:22:40.304 --> 00:22:40.804
- just

646
00:22:41.424 --> 00:22:44.144
- to burn out like that. So learn learn

647
00:22:44.144 --> 00:22:45.044
- from my mistakes.

648
00:22:46.544 --> 00:22:47.044
- Yeah.

649
00:22:47.825 --> 00:22:49.984
- We at Blueberry would like nothing less than

650
00:22:49.984 --> 00:22:52.224
- for you guys to, crash and burn with

651
00:22:52.224 --> 00:22:53.444
- your podcast. So

652
00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:56.119
- I would say lean on the lean on

653
00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:57.720
- the support team every once in a while

654
00:22:57.720 --> 00:22:59.160
- if you have to as well to figure

655
00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:00.680
- out, you know, like, maybe how could I

656
00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:02.380
- make this easier on myself with

657
00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:05.320
- with how do I publish this? Like, how

658
00:23:05.320 --> 00:23:06.920
- do I get this scheduled to publish it

659
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:09.474
- later? How do I, like, make my life

660
00:23:09.474 --> 00:23:11.875
- easier with this with the tools that I

661
00:23:11.875 --> 00:23:12.694
- already have?

662
00:23:13.234 --> 00:23:14.914
- Because that's also a big part of it

663
00:23:14.914 --> 00:23:15.734
- is, you know,

664
00:23:16.355 --> 00:23:19.234
- setting up whatever type of system works for

665
00:23:19.234 --> 00:23:20.855
- you can definitely

666
00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:24.420
- be easier with something that Blueberry offers is

667
00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:26.660
- my guess. Yeah. We got a lot of

668
00:23:26.660 --> 00:23:27.799
- tools, and maybe

669
00:23:28.420 --> 00:23:30.259
- you maybe you didn't know you could schedule

670
00:23:30.259 --> 00:23:32.900
- episodes, but you can. And that's always a

671
00:23:32.900 --> 00:23:34.605
- great thing to do when when possible. I

672
00:23:34.605 --> 00:23:36.044
- I mean, that's what I'm gonna do later

673
00:23:36.044 --> 00:23:37.804
- this month when I am on the beach,

674
00:23:37.804 --> 00:23:39.325
- and the last thing I'm thinking about is

675
00:23:39.325 --> 00:23:39.904
- a podcast.

676
00:23:40.444 --> 00:23:40.944
- Right.

677
00:23:41.565 --> 00:23:44.224
- Besides maybe the one that I'm listening to,

678
00:23:44.444 --> 00:23:46.625
- but certainly not this one. Right.

679
00:23:47.964 --> 00:23:50.640
- Alright, guys. Thanks for listening. We are podcast

680
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:52.320
- insider. We'll talk to you in a couple

681
00:23:52.320 --> 00:23:53.070
- of weeks.