How Much AI Is Too Much AI in Podcasting?

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- Welcome to Podcast Insider.

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- We're back with another great episode.

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- We're gonna wing it.

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- I'm Mike Dell, the VP of

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- operations here at Blueberry.

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- And, with me, I have Dave Clements

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- Hey. Hey.

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- And,

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- Mackenzie Bennett.

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- Hello.

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- Yeah. And today, we're gonna talk about

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- how much

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- AI is too much AI in podcasting

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- with the caveat, there really isn't any rules

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- in podcasting. So we're gonna talk about our

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- opinions

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- and maybe best practices.

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- Dave, I I'll give you the first shot

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- here. What what's your opinion on how much

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- AI to use or not use?

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- Is this the part where we just, like,

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- end the episode real quick because I just

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- upset everybody?

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- Don't use it.

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- Yeah. So for a long time,

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- well, I guess when when AI became more

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- accessible,

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- I guess, commercially,

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- I I thought it was the coolest stuff

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- ever.

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- And

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- I could never figure out how I was

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- gonna use it for

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- any of my shows,

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- other than just goofing off.

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- And

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- then

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- we released Pie,

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- a few years ago, and that is our

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- podcast AI assistant

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- that is still available to everybody.

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- That kinda got me thinking about

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- the way I personally would use

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- AI. And so I've kind of gotten to

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- the point where

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- I prefer to use

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- AI tools

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- in,

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- like, a post production sense.

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- I like to have AI

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- look through the transcript,

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- and I will take that transcript because I

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- will forget what I've said 90% of the

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- time. And I go, okay. Summarize this

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- for me.

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- And then sometimes I use just that raw

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- summary and throw it in my show notes.

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- Or sometimes, like, I will clean it up

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- so depending on the the show that I'm

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- doing, it feels like the show. It doesn't

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- just feel like, you know, a computer wrote

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- it.

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- But then one of my favorite things that

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- I've discovered recently

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- going back

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- and actually reworking

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- older episodes of a show is chapters.

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- Sometimes,

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- Py doesn't get the chapters right.

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- And something like ChatGPT

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- or specifically Claude will actually be able to

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- go through your transcript and finds much better

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- chapters

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- than I've run into before. And so with

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- the D and D podcast, I talk about

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- all the time. Those are, like, hour plus

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- And I honestly don't wanna go back and

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- try and find all of those little chapter

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- markers myself.

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- So that those are kind of the the

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- two big ways that I use it. And

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- then the other thing that I I have

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- using, like, media mastering tools. I've been using

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- And I've also been dabbling with

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- Adobe Podcasts. They have, like, an enhancement tool.

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- And those are really nice because

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- some of, like, the

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- the loudness and normalization

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- So that's typically

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- for me personally,

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- that's where I'm going to use

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- AI tools.

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- I am not a fan of using it

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- that, because I have a design background. So

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- that's my story. Yeah. We use it a

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- little bit on this show. Mackenzie, you're, you're

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- the main

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- user and abuser here. So

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- what do you think about it?

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- I use Py. Yeah. So I use the

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- whenever I publish this.

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- I will use all of that,

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- like, every single time I post the episode.

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- The show notes itself is a combination of

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- AI and me. That is

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- I upload the transcript

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- Typically, I have it write up something, and

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- it. And I think part of the reason

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- I do that is because

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- right

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- like, that we recorded

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- I'm like, I don't remember what exactly happened

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- I'll use that to help me, and then

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- at the same time, it knows my writing

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- style pretty well,

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- by now. So it that is something that

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- AI can do is learn your your own

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- and uploading things to social media or, you

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- and it's being labeled as AI. And it's

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- that's Photoshop.

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- sent out to audiences properly, and it's really

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- affecting some people when it's you know? Mhmm.

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- These automated things are showing up saying this

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- is AI when it's like, I changed the

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- That's that's not great. So it's I I

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- because For sure. Some of this is, you

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- slap on the wrist or, like,

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- label that is incorrect. Like, don't punish me

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- for using

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- that's been around for ten years. Mhmm. Like,

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- I get that it's technically

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- I don't have the words for it right

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- now. I just have the emotion. Yeah. It's

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- there are good uses of AI, and then

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- the way I the way I look at

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- it is, you know, I've got mixed feelings

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- You know, there's certain uses that I use,

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- that I'm a particularly good writer or anything,

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- but, what I'll generally do when I'm, say,

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- thing, and I'm and I'm a graphic art

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- the AI and said, hey. Replace the cartoon

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- see as a bad thing. You know, the

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- what people out there call AI slop

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- is where the, you know, like

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- I'm not calling out Inception Point. Well, yes.

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- I am. You are now. Inception Point AI,

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- you know, and they've chain they've rebranded

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- because that became a bad word, apparently. So

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- they've rebranded to something else. I don't know

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- what it's called, but that is a 100%

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- AI produced podcast. It's got AI characters, AI

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- You know, there's very little human interaction.

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- And, you know, if people listen to it,

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- great.

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- you know, it it sounds very

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- AI Mhmm.

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- For lack of a better way of putting

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- it. You know, some things

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- do work really well. And, you know, and

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- if it gets the right information out and

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- all that, you know, who are we to

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- say don't do that? But like I said,

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- I I I find good uses of it.

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- The thing is is, you know, check the

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- output. Don't just cut, paste, publish, you know,

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- you know, anything written. You know? And I've

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- experimented too. I I actually had,

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- and you could just tell, yeah, it sounded

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- but there was no

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- human behind it. I mean, it was

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- it was very flat. No feeling. No nothing

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- like that. It and it is getting really

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- good. I have to say, you know, pretty

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- soon, we will not be able to tell

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- don't think it's ready for prime time. No.

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- I I can't ever see myself getting to

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- a creator.

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- That that's a it's kind of a discussion

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- that we have internally as a company.

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- I think we keep reiterating over and over

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- again. Like, the human voice

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- is

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- important

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- to podcasting. It's what makes podcasting

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- what it is.

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- I don't know. I just I can't

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- I can't wrap my head around

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- making things like that.

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- And I personally and, you know, come at

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- me. I don't care. I'm gonna use making

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- in quotes,

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- in that context because it's just frustrating,

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- as somebody who has, like, everything that I

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- know about podcasting and a large

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- amount of what I know about

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- design.

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- And those are two huge things that are

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- affecting,

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- you know, my world, as far as AI

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- goes.

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- I have spent so much time learning

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- everything that I know myself. Like, I am

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- self taught. My my role here at Blueberry,

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- much,

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- over the years. And then I see, you

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- know, people that wanna create

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- whole podcast networks that are built on a

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- 100% AI or like 95%

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- AI or whatever. And I don't know. I

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- just I can't wrap my head around it.

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- It's not I don't think for me, I

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- don't think it's a, oh, I'm elite because

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- I'm a human and I can do this

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- stuff.

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- I just think that

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- the output is so much more rewarding for

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- you as a creator

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- and for your audience

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- if it hurts a little.

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- Maybe that's not the way to say it,

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- but that's how I'm gonna say it. Yeah.

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- No. I get it. The thing is is,

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- you know, creative people

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- wanna be creative. You enjoy the process

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- of creating something rather than, oh, I gotta

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- create this, hit a button that's created. Well,

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- there's no new ideas with AI. Right. And

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- that's that's a big part of creativity

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- is, yeah, you're gonna have your influences and

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- things that you've already seen, but

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- there is no

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- comparing

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- something from AI and something from

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- someone's brain that has been conjuring this for,

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- you know, decades. I don't know. There's also,

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- like, the privacy part of AI,

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- in podcasting. Like, Mike, the idea of someone,

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- like, cloning my voice drives me up the

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- wall. Yeah. Yeah.

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- That's one of the reasons why I don't

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- wanna do video is because my voice is

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- already out there. I've been

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- I was a DJ in college, and I've

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- been doing a podcast since I for Blueberry

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- since I graduated from college.

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- My voice is out there. That's done for.

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- My face,

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- not so much. I feel like, Dave, you

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- were very nice about it, but, like, there's

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- there's a level of,

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- just Creepiness.

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- Yeah. It's creepy. It's not good, and,

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- it just feels

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- dystopian. Yeah. Well, the you know, here's the

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- thing. Just just remember, you cannot

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- now you know, used to be in the

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- age of just Photoshop. You couldn't trust a

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- in person.

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- Yeah. And then maybe not. Yeah. It takes

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- a lot more critical thinking skills to Yeah.

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- Do a lot of stuff

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- lately. I mean, some of it is just

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- blatantly, like,

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- horrible, like,

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- oh, wow. I can I can clearly tell

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- that that's AI? Grandma, on the other hand,

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- may not.

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- Maybe my dad probably wouldn't. But, you know,

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- being in in a in a tech based

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- industry,

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- I I would say, you know, the three

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- of us, like, we can we see a

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- lot of that stuff

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- through our work, but also

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- probably in our our free time when we're

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- doom scrolling. And I don't know. I've become

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- very sensitive to it,

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- even to the point where when

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- working on scripts

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- for YouTube videos that that I'm doing, I'm

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- having AI do a lot of research, and

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- I'm like, you know, you have to give

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- like, cite all of your sources.

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- And then, like, it takes me a little

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- bit longer to write those scripts,

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- just because I do have to verify

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- is the AI actually giving me

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- good information to go off of? Because,

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- yeah, I I have a pretty tight turnaround

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- on on things, and I know that there

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- are podcasts that do this. Like but I

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- don't have time to go through and

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- do a bunch of research for a six

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- minute video.

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- That's a lot of work. And so I

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- do trust that a little bit, but then

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- there's always double checking. And,

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- Yeah. This

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- I don't know. This seems off or I

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- don't know. Like like you said, you you

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- can't you can't trust it immediately. You have

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- to you have to be very sensitive to

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- it. And and here's the other problem is

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- as more and more

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- AI content gets out there, more and more

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- of that AI generated content is gonna be

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- feeding the models.

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- So even the wrong stuff,

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- if you go verify it's you know, how

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- would you verify something? You go, you know,

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- go to a news website and look look

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- for articles or whatever about whatever it is,

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- and chances are that was written by a.

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- Mhmm.

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- So, you know, it's gonna just get worse,

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- I think,

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- you know, because now now you've got the

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- AI feeding itself,

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- and at some point, the bubble's gonna burst.

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- But, you know, getting back to the topic

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- of how much of it do you wanna

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- use in your podcast, you know, whatever feels

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- right to use,

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- I guess, okay. But, you know, your audience

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- is gonna pick out the, obviously, AI generated

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- stuff Yeah. At least for now. Like I

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- said, it's gonna get better,

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- better or worse, I guess, at the same

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- time.

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- You know, I have no problem using it

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- for what it's good at.

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- And right now, what it's good at is,

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- you know, making sure I'm capitalizing

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- where I need to and putting the punctuation

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- in the right spot and, you know, all

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- the stuff I'm not particularly good at.

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- And,

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- you know, that kind of stuff and, you

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- know, and editing a photo. Now I can

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- edit a photo in Photoshop.

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- I I still have that skill,

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- but I'm not gonna do as good a

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- job. I don't wanna create the photo from

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- AI, but I want, you know, if I

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- wanna edit a photo, I have no problem

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- letting it do it. Haven't got to the

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- point where I wanted to edit my audio

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- or video.

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- I kinda like to do that myself when

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- I edit. Yeah. Again, you know, they'll get

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- better. Yeah. I I think that they're just,

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- I don't know, it's such a fine

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- line that you have to walk,

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- not not even from a professional standpoint. Like,

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- I am, you know while this is my

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- opinion, I am technically speaking on behalf of

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- the company,

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- in a way. But it's just a very

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- fine line that you have to walk because

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- there are legitimately

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- some tools that are, quote, unquote, AI, like

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- McKinsey said,

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- that we've been using

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- because they are a better

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- tool than what we have

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- had access to. Or, you know, I I

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- think Photoshop is always a big one, but

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- you from an audio

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- standpoint because I haven't really found any,

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- AI video tools other than, like, clipping tools

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- that are kind of worth the time.

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- So you can, you know, send those over

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- to me. But from an audio standpoint,

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- they're like, sometimes my ears can't pick up

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- on the tiny little frequencies and

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- and gunk. Like, sometimes I will have a

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- fan running in the background, and

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- I can't get that out of there. I

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- can run it through the Adobe podcast tool,

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- sometimes media mastering,

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- and it'll figure out what that frequency is

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- and pull it straight out, and you'd never

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- know.

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- So

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- that is totally worth it to me, but

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- it's also not creating anything for me. It's

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- just helping me do my job better. I

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- think there's,

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- that part where you have to

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- have the right intentions behind using AI.

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- Enhancing something, making it better

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- instead of cutting corners

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- is probably the most important part. Yeah. Like

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- I say, you know, sometimes they're

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- you know, you can see where people just

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- cut and paste something out and don't really

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- look at it. So, you know, just be

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- careful with that. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, your

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- audience is gonna decide whether or not they're

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- going to continue to be fans of what

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- you're making. Yep. We see a big thing

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- right now where,

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- you know, AI generated menus.

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- Those are some of the most horrific nightmare

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- fuel things I have ever seen. And there

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- are people that are just like, you know

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- what? And I will just say, you know,

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- not everybody's a great photographer. I am definitely

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- not. But I still don't know that I

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- want my my food to look like some

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- of these AI posters.

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- But there are people who are just like,

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- well, if you're gonna cut corners on

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- this,

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- are you cutting corners on your food? Like,

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- the it introduces

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- doubt. That's exactly what I think. It introduces

532
00:19:40.724 --> 00:19:43.284
- doubt. And for me, as a as a

533
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- creative person,

534
00:19:45.549 --> 00:19:46.930
- who wants to learn

535
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- to do the hard things,

536
00:19:49.150 --> 00:19:51.070
- even if I'm not good at them, I

537
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- just don't wanna introduce doubt by throwing a

538
00:19:54.109 --> 00:19:56.830
- bunch of AI at whatever it is I'm

539
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- making.

540
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- I would rather

541
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- people go, hey, you know, you goofed up

542
00:20:01.555 --> 00:20:02.934
- on this edit or,

543
00:20:03.394 --> 00:20:05.555
- you know, you really don't draw that well.

544
00:20:05.555 --> 00:20:07.475
- And I'm like, okay. Yeah. But I'm learning

545
00:20:07.475 --> 00:20:09.174
- and I can fix it and

546
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- and whatever.

547
00:20:12.099 --> 00:20:13.940
- But, again, that's me. I just don't wanna

548
00:20:13.940 --> 00:20:15.940
- introduce doubt. I want people to trust what

549
00:20:15.940 --> 00:20:17.960
- I'm putting out there. I'd rather

550
00:20:19.059 --> 00:20:22.680
- the bad real version than the overly perfected

551
00:20:23.299 --> 00:20:23.799
- robot

552
00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:25.974
- version. I don't wanna live in a world

553
00:20:25.974 --> 00:20:27.515
- of robots as as

554
00:20:27.894 --> 00:20:29.194
- so many people do,

555
00:20:29.494 --> 00:20:31.355
- apparently, in charge of all this.

556
00:20:32.615 --> 00:20:33.355
- I don't.

557
00:20:34.775 --> 00:20:36.855
- I really don't want everything to be done

558
00:20:36.855 --> 00:20:38.795
- by robots. You on the anti,

559
00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.279
- dog robot thing? Did they freak you out?

560
00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:43.419
- Because they do my wife.

561
00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.000
- I I don't even know if I've really

562
00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:49.500
- thought about the dog robot thing, but, like,

563
00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:52.380
- I want AI to be used to help

564
00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:53.980
- solve real problems.

565
00:20:54.424 --> 00:20:56.424
- You know what's not a real problem? Having

566
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- a dog.

567
00:20:57.944 --> 00:21:00.505
- Yeah. That that's true. But here's what's gonna

568
00:21:00.505 --> 00:21:03.065
- happen, is if you're using too much AI

569
00:21:03.065 --> 00:21:04.365
- in your podcast,

570
00:21:04.825 --> 00:21:05.964
- your listeners,

571
00:21:06.265 --> 00:21:06.765
- viewers,

572
00:21:07.170 --> 00:21:09.890
- however you wanna put it, eventually are going

573
00:21:09.890 --> 00:21:10.950
- to notice

574
00:21:11.410 --> 00:21:11.910
- that.

575
00:21:12.289 --> 00:21:14.130
- They may or may not like it, but

576
00:21:14.130 --> 00:21:16.630
- I think the market is going to prove

577
00:21:17.250 --> 00:21:20.049
- over time that the AI generated stuff is

578
00:21:20.049 --> 00:21:23.054
- not what people want as much as

579
00:21:23.595 --> 00:21:26.075
- a human. Mhmm. Not saying that, you know,

580
00:21:26.075 --> 00:21:27.994
- that there's not a place for the AI

581
00:21:27.994 --> 00:21:28.494
- stuff.

582
00:21:29.035 --> 00:21:30.654
- We have one of our clients

583
00:21:31.434 --> 00:21:31.934
- that

584
00:21:32.554 --> 00:21:34.429
- writes a lot of articles

585
00:21:34.809 --> 00:21:35.710
- for automotive.

586
00:21:36.009 --> 00:21:38.329
- And what they're doing with the AI and

587
00:21:38.329 --> 00:21:39.230
- in podcasting

588
00:21:39.529 --> 00:21:42.009
- is they're, first off, labeling it right off

589
00:21:42.009 --> 00:21:44.750
- the top. Say, this is a an article

590
00:21:44.809 --> 00:21:45.789
- from this

591
00:21:46.224 --> 00:21:47.444
- read by the AI,

592
00:21:47.984 --> 00:21:49.744
- and we're putting it out in audio form

593
00:21:49.744 --> 00:21:51.024
- so you don't have to sit there and

594
00:21:51.024 --> 00:21:53.264
- read it. But that's what they're using it

595
00:21:53.264 --> 00:21:55.505
- for, and that makes sense. They're not trying

596
00:21:55.505 --> 00:21:58.244
- to pass it off as these are real,

597
00:21:58.339 --> 00:22:00.839
- you know, real people talking about these things.

598
00:22:00.900 --> 00:22:03.380
- No. They're reading articles. That's an awesome use

599
00:22:03.380 --> 00:22:05.619
- of it in podcasting, I think. Yeah. And,

600
00:22:05.619 --> 00:22:07.700
- I mean, one thing we haven't touched on,

601
00:22:07.700 --> 00:22:08.839
- and I I think it's

602
00:22:09.220 --> 00:22:11.079
- it's a lot more complicated than

603
00:22:11.404 --> 00:22:13.644
- I I so I can't really, like, fully

604
00:22:13.644 --> 00:22:14.845
- speak to it. But you do have, like,

605
00:22:14.845 --> 00:22:18.044
- the environmental impact of all of these data

606
00:22:18.044 --> 00:22:19.884
- centers and and stuff like that. I live

607
00:22:19.884 --> 00:22:23.105
- in Indiana, and, you know, Gary, Indiana was

608
00:22:23.484 --> 00:22:24.625
- out of power for,

609
00:22:25.005 --> 00:22:26.880
- I think about two weeks, if I'm not

610
00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.759
- mistaken almost. But the data center that's not

611
00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:31.779
- too terribly far from

612
00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:32.740
- Gary

613
00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:35.200
- was working just fine. So it's just, like,

614
00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:36.259
- it's a little scary,

615
00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:39.119
- you know. And and that's not to get

616
00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:41.115
- into, like, politics or anything like that, but

617
00:22:41.115 --> 00:22:43.035
- it is a real world thing that you

618
00:22:43.035 --> 00:22:43.934
- have to consider,

619
00:22:45.035 --> 00:22:46.494
- especially if we're all using

620
00:22:47.115 --> 00:22:47.855
- AI tools,

621
00:22:48.555 --> 00:22:51.195
- especially for silly things. You know. I'm tired

622
00:22:51.195 --> 00:22:51.775
- of seeing

623
00:22:52.154 --> 00:22:55.440
- AI generated memes. You know? So but, yeah,

624
00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.099
- podcasting, I prefer it to to be

625
00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:00.960
- a little bit of a helper. I don't

626
00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:02.900
- need it to create any of my shows.

627
00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.859
- That's kinda my final word on that. Oh,

628
00:23:06.142 --> 00:23:08.605
- this episode, when you're listening to it and

629
00:23:08.605 --> 00:23:10.545
- when we put it out, International

630
00:23:10.845 --> 00:23:12.065
- Podcast Day

631
00:23:12.765 --> 00:23:13.265
- is,

632
00:23:13.644 --> 00:23:14.865
- September 30.

633
00:23:15.325 --> 00:23:17.404
- I believe this will be going out on

634
00:23:17.404 --> 00:23:19.940
- that Monday. So a couple days from now

635
00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:22.099
- is International Podcast Day,

636
00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:24.640
- and I just wanted to touch on, you

637
00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.659
- know, some of the history of that.

638
00:23:27.679 --> 00:23:30.000
- Dave, what or Mackenzie, one of you,

639
00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:32.480
- what do you know about how that all

640
00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:35.035
- started? Oh, we're, what, fifteen

641
00:23:36.055 --> 00:23:36.714
- sixteen, 17?

642
00:23:37.015 --> 00:23:39.654
- How many years? I'm gonna guess, and I

643
00:23:39.654 --> 00:23:42.075
- don't know, but I'm gonna guess it's been

644
00:23:42.214 --> 00:23:43.434
- at least fifteen.

645
00:23:44.214 --> 00:23:46.714
- Yeah. I would say it's been fifteen years,

646
00:23:47.015 --> 00:23:47.994
- that they've had

647
00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:50.720
- International Podcast Day. But I think the first

648
00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:53.119
- year was called National Podcast Day, and then

649
00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:55.359
- the rest of the world didn't didn't agree,

650
00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:58.019
- so they changed it. Right. 2014

651
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:00.339
- was National Podcast Day.

652
00:24:00.835 --> 00:24:02.215
- Okay. Okay. Close.

653
00:24:02.595 --> 00:24:04.515
- I was just gonna say it was some

654
00:24:04.595 --> 00:24:07.015
- sometime right after I started podcasting.

655
00:24:08.835 --> 00:24:09.654
- Steve and

656
00:24:10.515 --> 00:24:11.495
- Dave Lee

657
00:24:11.875 --> 00:24:12.375
- were,

658
00:24:13.409 --> 00:24:15.509
- as far as I know, the the masterminds

659
00:24:15.809 --> 00:24:18.690
- behind this. Yep. No. Steve created it and

660
00:24:18.849 --> 00:24:20.929
- with with his son, Dave. And just as

661
00:24:20.929 --> 00:24:22.549
- a way to acknowledge

662
00:24:22.849 --> 00:24:24.789
- all of the work that goes into podcasting,

663
00:24:24.929 --> 00:24:26.230
- the way that it has changed,

664
00:24:27.424 --> 00:24:29.424
- all of the content that people are consuming

665
00:24:29.424 --> 00:24:30.644
- on a day to day basis,

666
00:24:32.545 --> 00:24:35.585
- just whatever we have done with it, whether

667
00:24:35.585 --> 00:24:36.724
- it is the advancements

668
00:24:37.105 --> 00:24:37.345
- in

669
00:24:37.904 --> 00:24:39.365
- on the tech side of it,

670
00:24:40.065 --> 00:24:42.740
- the the ways that it has helped people

671
00:24:42.740 --> 00:24:45.140
- get their voices out there for whatever it

672
00:24:45.140 --> 00:24:46.440
- is that they wanna talk about,

673
00:24:47.059 --> 00:24:48.980
- kinda leveling the playing field a little bit

674
00:24:48.980 --> 00:24:50.019
- for some stuff or,

675
00:24:51.059 --> 00:24:53.640
- just, you know, trying to meet other podcasters.

676
00:24:54.019 --> 00:24:56.440
- But it's I don't think they've done

677
00:24:57.380 --> 00:24:59.674
- a live show for it in a number

678
00:24:59.674 --> 00:25:02.315
- of years now. I think, '21 or '22

679
00:25:02.315 --> 00:25:04.174
- was maybe the last year for that, but

680
00:25:04.234 --> 00:25:06.634
- it's it's a good day to just kinda

681
00:25:06.634 --> 00:25:09.515
- consider, like, how far we've come. Yeah. And,

682
00:25:09.515 --> 00:25:11.730
- you know, when they were doing those live

683
00:25:11.730 --> 00:25:14.309
- streams, they were, you know, doing thirty hours,

684
00:25:15.809 --> 00:25:18.130
- you know, a thirty hour live stream, and

685
00:25:18.130 --> 00:25:19.669
- it it was quite the production.

686
00:25:20.210 --> 00:25:21.910
- But there are a lot of,

687
00:25:22.369 --> 00:25:23.349
- lot of places

688
00:25:23.650 --> 00:25:24.950
- and people and,

689
00:25:25.265 --> 00:25:27.025
- you know, all around the world now that

690
00:25:27.025 --> 00:25:29.825
- are doing a special livestream that day, you

691
00:25:29.825 --> 00:25:31.684
- know, from, you know, their individual

692
00:25:32.865 --> 00:25:35.025
- things. So, if we can come up with

693
00:25:35.025 --> 00:25:37.105
- a list of events we can find, we'll

694
00:25:37.105 --> 00:25:38.309
- throw that in the show notes

695
00:25:38.870 --> 00:25:41.289
- over at podcastinsider.com.

696
00:25:43.670 --> 00:25:46.070
- You know, we we used to participate in

697
00:25:46.070 --> 00:25:48.630
- that. Mhmm. We'd always have an hour of

698
00:25:48.630 --> 00:25:50.970
- of that thirty hour stream where Blueberry,

699
00:25:51.590 --> 00:25:53.830
- you know, usually Todd or Mackenzie or I

700
00:25:53.830 --> 00:25:55.404
- or all of us,

701
00:25:55.805 --> 00:25:58.384
- would Yeah. You know, do something for

702
00:25:58.765 --> 00:26:01.644
- International Podcast Day. But there are smaller little

703
00:26:01.644 --> 00:26:03.805
- events going on. And and to prove the

704
00:26:03.805 --> 00:26:06.445
- point, it's in, it's in the National Day

705
00:26:06.445 --> 00:26:09.320
- calendar. So, of course, it's real and official.

706
00:26:09.380 --> 00:26:09.880
- Yeah.

707
00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:12.440
- So if you wanna know more about International

708
00:26:12.500 --> 00:26:16.339
- Podcast Day, you can just go to internationalpodcastday.com.

709
00:26:16.339 --> 00:26:17.859
- We'll make sure that we link it in

710
00:26:17.859 --> 00:26:19.545
- the episode show notes as well.

711
00:26:20.025 --> 00:26:23.465
- Yeah. So, anything to, wrap up either of

712
00:26:23.465 --> 00:26:24.205
- the topics?

713
00:26:24.664 --> 00:26:27.065
- I don't think so. I I hope I

714
00:26:27.065 --> 00:26:29.465
- I don't get nasty letters. Yeah. Okay. I'll

715
00:26:29.465 --> 00:26:31.705
- take them. It's fine. Yeah. I I actually

716
00:26:31.705 --> 00:26:33.164
- enjoyed getting feedback.

717
00:26:33.465 --> 00:26:35.700
- You know? Hey. It's better than none. Some

718
00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:37.779
- some of the some of the best con

719
00:26:38.259 --> 00:26:40.900
- conversations I've ever had was somebody that started

720
00:26:40.900 --> 00:26:42.279
- out complaining at me.

721
00:26:43.220 --> 00:26:46.019
- Yeah. So and if you have said negative

722
00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:47.400
- or positive comments,

723
00:26:48.785 --> 00:26:50.964
- of course, you can always reach us

724
00:26:52.065 --> 00:26:53.825
- at mike@blueberry.com,

725
00:26:53.825 --> 00:26:55.105
- dave@blueberry.com,

726
00:26:55.105 --> 00:26:57.984
- or mackenzie@blueberry.com,

727
00:26:57.984 --> 00:26:59.984
- spelled the weird way we spell it with

728
00:26:59.984 --> 00:27:02.779
- no e's. Guess that's a podcast. That does

729
00:27:02.779 --> 00:27:05.119
- it. Thanks, everyone. Catch you next time.