Sept. 14, 2026
How Long Should a Podcast Episode Be? And Should You Edit? – PCI 484
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There’s no magic number or one-size-fits-all answer. In this episode of Podcast Insider, Dave Clements, Mike Dell, and MacKenzie Bennett discuss podcast episode length, editing styles, audience expectations, and why podcasters may be better off focusing on their content instead of chasing an supposed “perfect” runtime.
The team shares their own preferences for short and long episodes and explains why the right length often comes down to a simple rule: talk for as long as you have something worthwhile to say. If a topic only needs 15 or 20 minutes, there’s no reason to stretch it to 30. Likewise, a compelling conversation may deserve considerably more time.
They also explore how much editing a podcast actually needs. Some shows benefit from detailed production, while others work well with a more natural, lightly edited approach. The key is deciding what fits your show, your available time, and what your audience expects.
In this episode, you’ll hear about:
- Why there is no perfect podcast episode length
- When a shorter episode may be better than stretching a topic
- Heavy editing vs. light editing
- How production style changes listener expectations
- Asking your audience what they actually prefer
- Why feedback from one listener shouldn’t necessarily dictate your entire strategy
- Popular podcast editing tools including Adobe Audition, Reaper, Audacity, Descript, and Adobe Podcast
- Using audio processing and media mastering to improve consistency
- Why getting a good recording at the source makes editing much easier
- How AI-assisted tools are beginning to change podcast editing and production
The biggest takeaway: don’t let perfection keep you from publishing. Podcasting, recording, and editing all involve a learning curve. Your process can improve with every episode, and what matters most is creating something your audience wants to keep listening to.
The episode also briefly touches on Apple HLS video availability for Blubrry customers and the growing opportunities for podcasters interested in video.
Thanks for Listening
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- Welcome to Podcast Insider. My name is Dave
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- Clements, and with me today are Mike,
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- Yeah. It's a learning curve. Like I was
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- We'll get it with the rotating thing. So,
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- Yes. That is, you know, garbage in there.
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- Been there. Hey. Start
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- start with a good audio track. You'll end
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- The phrase, trash in, trash out?
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- Yep. Does anybody have any final thoughts before
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- we shut this down? Is this isn't like
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- a big
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- you know, it doesn't have to be deep.
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- It's pretty simple.
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- Just do what
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- as you go. It's it doesn't have to
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- and, so is editing. You know, recording your
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- that, but so is editing. That is
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- that is not something that comes easily to
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- You'll figure it out.
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- The thing is, if you chase after perfection,
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- what you're doing. So I tell people all
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- but your second episode will suck less and
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- the flow, do what you need to do,
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- and, I still go stand by my first
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- answer. Yes. You should edit, and it should
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- be twenty minutes.
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- Just kidding.
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- About the twenty minutes.
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- Alright.
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- Well, I I think that's that's
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- it for today. So,
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- thank you guys for listening.
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- Like and subscribe, but that's not how podcasting
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- Follow or subscribe, whatever your app says. And
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- for the latest
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- Thanks for listening.
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- Welcome to Podcast Insider. My name is Dave
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- can do. You know, like, you can if
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- you didn't have a noise gate on your
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- on your mic and there's some sort of
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- low level home, it's really good at taking
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- that out and, you know, that kind of
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- thing. But there's there's a lot of good
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- ones out there. And then the AI assisted
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- ones like Descript and oh, I can't think
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- of it off the top of my head.
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- It's another really popular one. I believe that
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- has some AI assistance as well. I think
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- Adobe probably does too. I just ignore it.
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- Mhmm. Yeah. I I have over the last
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- few episodes, I have been running the audio
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- through Adobe Podcasts.
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- And that's been nice because,
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- you know, level I think maybe that's one
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- of the hardest parts of editing. You you
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- may have
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- the
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- audio coming in okay.
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- But, yeah, leveling, normalizing,
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- there's there's, like, weird little components
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- that
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- are sometimes just hard to get right.
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- And,
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- yeah, I like to use that, like, on
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- the raw tracks before I start to edit
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- and then
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- listen back to it. And then sometimes, I'll
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- run it through
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- Auphonic, which Blueberry has. We have media remastering
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- by Auphonic,
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- that you can
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- run your your podcast episodes through. So it'll
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- balance everything out and get you to the
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- right LUFS and all of that. Yeah. That's
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- my process is I take the WAV file.
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- That's what I usually record in. Mhmm. And
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- I'll take that WAV file.
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- I'll put it in
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- Adobe Audition,
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- save it as an m p three at
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- that point,
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- and then run it through
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- their version of, phonic leveling type thing.
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- And then I edit, you know, like, edit
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- out the ohms and ahs and coughs and
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- snorts and phone ringings and whatever else,
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- and then cut the ends. And then
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- just save it out as the m p
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- three, and I'm ready to go. You know?
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- It doesn't take ridiculously long,
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- and it does everything all in one place.
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- But, also, you can, you know, edit the
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- whole thing, get it in it as an
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- m p three or a wave in our
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- case, and you upload that to Blueberry with
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- our media mastering,
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- and it'll run it through Auphonic and level
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- it out for you. And, it does a
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- really good job.
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- I would say the easiest editing is when
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- the recording went perfectly.
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- Yes. That is, you know, garbage in there.
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- Been there. Hey. Start
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- start with a good audio track. You'll end
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- with a good audio track. I mean, there's
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- certain things you can't fix in audio.
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- The phrase, trash in, trash out?
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- Yep. Does anybody have any final thoughts before
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- we shut this down? Is this isn't like
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- a big
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- you know, it doesn't have to be deep.
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- It's pretty simple.
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- Just do what
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- you wanna do and do what your audience
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- will listen to, and you'll figure it out
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- as you go. It's it doesn't have to
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- be perfect on day one.
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- No. Yeah. It's it's all a learning curve,
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- and, so is editing. You know, recording your
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- episode is a learning curve, getting comfortable doing
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- that, but so is editing. That is
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- not,
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- that is not something that comes easily to
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- some people. So give yourself some grace.
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- You'll figure it out.
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- The thing is, if you chase after perfection,
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- you're you're never gonna execute
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- what you're doing. So I tell people all
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- the time, your first step was episode might
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- suck,
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- but your second episode will suck less and
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- so on. So, you know Yep. Go with
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- the flow, do what you need to do,
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- and, I still go stand by my first
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- answer. Yes. You should edit, and it should
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- be twenty minutes.
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- Just kidding.
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- About the twenty minutes.
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- Alright.
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- Well, I I think that's that's
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- it for today. So,
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- thank you guys for listening.
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- And,
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- I was gonna do the whole YouTube. Hey.
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- Like and subscribe, but that's not how podcasting
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- works. I'm in video mode. I'm sorry.
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- Follow or subscribe, whatever your app says. And
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- always go to podcastinsider.com
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- for the latest
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- and greatest. We have lots of blog posts
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- over there too.
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- So and, oh, yeah. One other thing, I
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- guess, we'll minute we'll mention some some,
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- some things going on
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- currently.
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- By the time you listen to this,
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- Apple HLS
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- video will be available to all of our
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- customers. So if you did wanna adventure into
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- video, we have
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- the accommodations for that coming
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- by the time you hear this.
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- And,
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- yeah. So that's, you know, just a little
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- side note there. Maybe we'll do
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- an episode about,
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- you know, how video is distributed versus how
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- audio is distributed. That'd be a
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- good good geeky one to to do at
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- some point.
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- Yeah. For sure.
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- Alright. Catch you catch you next time.
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- Thanks for listening.