Behind the Mic: Building Confidence as a Podcast Host – PCI 474

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Welcome back to Podcast Insider. I'm Dave Clemens

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from the support and media team here at

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Blueberry.

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And I'm Mackenzie Bennett, director of marketing at

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Blueberry.

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Today, we're gonna talk about something that probably

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doesn't get discussed enough in podcasting,

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your confidence as a host.

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Yeah. That's fun. So, yeah, we're we're gonna

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we're gonna pivot a bit and focus on

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you behind the microphone. We're not gonna talk

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about downloads. We're not gonna talk about gear.

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We're not gonna talk about growth strategy. We

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talk about those things a lot.

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Yes. Because if you don't feel confident when

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you hit record,

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all of that, everything else just feels so

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much harder than it needs to be.

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You're listening to Podcast Insider

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Clements.

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at Blueberry.

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Welcome. Let's dive in.

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Hosting a podcast,

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isn't really just about having something to say

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because we all do, but it is it

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is about making it an art form and

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saying it clearly,

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comfortably, and consistently.

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So you definitely have to have confidence to

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make that possible, and and we all mess

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it up sometimes.

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We're human.

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Yes. Yes. We all mess that up. That

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is absolutely true.

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But but I think this is a good

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thing to remember

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that the confidence is not a personality trait.

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It is a skill. It is a skill

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that you have to,

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to train

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and and use very much like a muscle.

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You use it, you lose it.

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Yeah. I've I'm running into that doing this

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show, and I hope nobody can tell. I

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hope I'm faking it well enough.

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I think so.

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I I don't I I don't

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I don't make as much content as I

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used to. I still love doing it. I

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just don't make as much as I used

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to. And I'm used to hosting

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my own show, being the person

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behind the microphone.

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So,

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a lot of this is very much an

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act because I have not

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polished that skill

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of of being confident.

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you know, I think I think most introverts

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know how to do this pretty well. We

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can mask

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pretty well. Yeah.

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Because I think a lot of podcasters, not

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all of them, but a lot of podcasters

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are actually just introverts that are like,

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I have this really cool thing I wanna

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talk about.

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So I'm gonna try. And it's easy to

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do when you're home alone

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in your little

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space.

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But, yeah, it's definitely a skill. It it

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does not come naturally. Do not go back

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and listen to

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early episodes of

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any of my shows from, like, twelve years

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ago. Please don't do that.

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You know, actually,

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I think,

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yeah, definitely, podcasters can probably have this, like,

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reputation of maybe being extremely extroverted

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and outgoing and stuff like that. But also,

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at the same time

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yeah, the podcaster is just, like, super chatty

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about this one thing that they wanna talk

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about, not about necessarily everything.

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So I think that,

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a podcast is a good way for that

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to shine through.

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it's definitely true for the two of us.

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You know?

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I can be very chatty, but at the

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end of the day,

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I'm gonna need to go

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hang out by myself for a while.

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And a big thing to remember is that

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this confidence that you might hear,

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yeah, it's put on a little bit.

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that

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there there is kind of this core confidence

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that we have where, like, we know what

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we're talking about.

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the more we do it, you know, the

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more repetition

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and the more familiar it is, like, the

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more

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the two of us get used to talking

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to each other in this format rather than

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just meetings

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or or, you know, throwing Mike in here

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or whatever the configuration is, the better the

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show gets. And that's why you've probably heard

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over the last little bit as we've changed

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things. I'm growing into my role as a

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cohost.

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You know? So so it's just that that

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repetition and familiarity

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that that really helps.

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since we do this show every week. You

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know, we have a regular publishing schedule,

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and so that means we gotta get episodes

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out

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on on that schedule that we've set and

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and people can expect.

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So I think that definitely helps as well.

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It's

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everything to do with podcasting.

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If you have not already worked in some

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type of content creation,

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especially when you're put in front of a

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microphone, can probably feel intimidating

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just because it is so unfamiliar.

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I've

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been behind the microphone in some capacity on

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a regular basis since,

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2010.

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So I I don't I literally don't really

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think about it anymore.

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while I joke about please don't go and

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listen to them,

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like, they're supposed to be awkward. They're supposed

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to be weird because

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this is where you're learning. Well, what is

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your pacing? What is your tone? What is

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your rhythm? How do you transition?

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still,

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like,

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Mike and I recorded an episode recently,

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and Kate, our editor, was like, yeah. You

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guys are the kings of

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you knows. Yeah. And I was like, yes.

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That is my middle name. And I've been

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doing this for,

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you know, almost a decade and a half.

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yeah.

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Be be weird and be awkward and figure

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out who you are because that is what

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your show becomes.

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you're phoning it in sometimes, so

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that's not the,

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that's not the quality that you wanna put

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out. So Right.

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Your first episodes are supposed to feel awkward.

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Everything about them is probably gonna be a

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little bit different. You know? But if you

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if you wait to feel confident before publishing,

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you're you're just never gonna do it. Mhmm.

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Like, you have to,

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accept that movement

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or the the improvement

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that happens with your podcast is gonna happen

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publicly.

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That that Yeah. That is true for any

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type of content

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creation,

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I think, is that, you know, people are

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gonna know that it's happening. And and it's

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not gonna happen if you

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don't actually publish.

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I I've I've said it before whether

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on episodes or just

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in one on one conversations with people where

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I'm like, we are such at this age,

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in culture, you know, in society where it's

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like, I have to automatically just be good

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at the thing that I wanna do.

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And it's like, you don't develop that skill.

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Like, I'm I'm working on writing

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in my personal time. I wanna write a

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book. I've wanted to write a book since

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I was, like, 13 years old. Mhmm. I'm

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well past that now.

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I find it so hard to

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put in that

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work even though I wanna do it because

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I just think that I should be good

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at writing

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a 500 page novel

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right off the bat. I've read a bunch

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of them. Yeah. And

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it's like, if you read what's in my

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notebooks right now, it's okay. But it I

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should not be publishing it. So

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I think we all have to kinda realize

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that no one

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starts

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smooth. No one's perfect. It is very bumpy,

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and you start to iron out those wrinkles

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the more that you do it.

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I think, the next one that we wanted

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to talk about was that structure will reduce

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those nerves over time, I think. Mhmm.

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Similar, you know, similar to

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like, we have to do this every week

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because we said we're gonna put an episode

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out every week. So that's what we do.

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So there is that type of structure that

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just

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you get in the groove of things.

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being anxious about it, you're just doing it.

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And you're getting over it, and

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and there is less and less anxiety from

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the uncertainty

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of your podcast because, like, you know how

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it works. You know what to do.

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you know, when I was starting to do

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my show ages ago,

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I've I remember just being like, yeah. I'm

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gonna talk about this one thing, and I

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just went for it. And it was not

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great. And I learned pretty quickly that

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having an outline, just a super simple outline,

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you don't have to go in a bunch

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of detail, but it's like, this is my

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main topic. Here are points a, b, and

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c that I wanna talk about.

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and that kind

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of that's that's that structure.

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And you just kinda calm down, and you

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get into it, and you get to be

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yourself,

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and you refine that over time.

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it's

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it can be

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as simple or as complex as you want

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with that outline.

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my

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my biggest one is, like, know the purpose

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of the episode before recording.

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That's Yeah. That can definitely be where something

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goes off the rails if you don't have

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that

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because

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especially if you're doing it by yourself.

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You know, things evolve with other people when

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you're in a situation like Dave and I

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where, you know, if if you go down

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a rabbit hole, I'll go down with you.

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Sorry. But if

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I do it to you guys too. But

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if someone

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but if there's no one else to go

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there with you, then it's just you dragging

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your audience into that rabbit hole. Yeah. And

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and you don't know how they're gonna take

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that.

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Yeah. Yeah. Being a solo podcaster is,

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sometimes incredibly difficult Yeah. For that reason alone.

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I mean, even even doing,

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you know, like, I'm going to review this

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movie.

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I know that's the purpose of the movie,

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but the or the episode.

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And you just, like, okay. Well, now we

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need to add a little bit more structure

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so that we don't go off of on

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some rabbit trail about

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how camera lenses work. You know, because that

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doesn't matter, really. I yeah. Like, do I

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care about camera lenses? Actually, genuinely, yes. But

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I'm here to learn about this movie and

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if I should go see it. Right. Right.

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So yeah. The keeping keeping focus, I think,

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is important as well. But there's also,

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there's a there's a performance,

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and there is talking, and there is,

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you know, there there is a difference between

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the two.

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There's a lot of pressure that I think

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podcasters put on themselves to feel like they

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need to sound like a podcaster.

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And

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there is nothing that you need to follow.

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You can follow certain

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styles and journalists and, you know, like NPR

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kinda has this whole thing. And

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and new things have evolved in the past

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five to ten years of, like, what you

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can expect. But at the end of the

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day,

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you're recording.

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You're you're just talking,

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and that is a podcast.

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Like, it's it's kinda one of those get

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out of your own own head thing.

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Yeah. And I kinda look at this as,

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you know, like,

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there's ad read mode, and then there's

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talking

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to real people mode. Definitely.

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You can hear that.

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And I've I've I've done it on this

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show before. Because we're, like, we have our

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our outline and things like that, and there

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are times where I'm literally just reading from

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our outline

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because I know I need to read that

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thing.

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And,

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yeah, like, even even

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the lines,

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make them you. Rewrite them so that they

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sound like you. I do that. I know

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there's a lot of times when Mackenzie's like,

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hey. Outline's ready. Look it over. I will

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rewrite something and just be like, yeah. This

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sounds a little bit more the way that

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I would say it or something like that.

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But, again, you

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you develop

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the skill, and then you're able to ad

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lib just a little bit without losing your

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place too much.

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So, a couple of things that you could

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think about doing is imagining

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one person listening

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rather than

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a 100 people listening.

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I know the early days, I always had

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to pick, like, a friend

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that was interested in the topic that I

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was talking about and be like, I'm gonna

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tell you about this book that I read

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because I want you to read it. Mhmm.

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And,

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another thing that you can do is,

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again, use that conversational

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language

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because

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as much as we try to not do

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the umms and ahs,

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it's pretty human. Even if Kate cuts it

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out for us,

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it they're still human. You can you can

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feel it in the cadence when somebody's talking.

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And then kind of your

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your last

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thing, here in the outline is letting small

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imperfections stay in. You will probably notice that

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Kate doesn't cut out all of those umms

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and ahs

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because it's human,

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not AI.

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Yeah. Exactly.

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And because we

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told her, you don't have to because it's

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gonna sound weird if you take out every

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single one of them. You know, we're not

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robots.

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Yeah. We really aren't. It's,

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you gotta trust your gut at some point

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as a podcaster.

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You really do.

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And when you're not doing that anymore, that's

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when you stop overthinking. That's when things just

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flow out of your out of your mouth

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as opposed

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to every two seconds. You know, it makes

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it easier to record episodes. There's less anxiety

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about doing that in general if that is

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something that, you know, freaks you out.

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Your your gut is maybe undervalued.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I I just I tell people because

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I've had people

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as guests

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on shows that I've done, and I'm like,

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it's just me and you. Like, don't worry

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about the microphone. Don't worry about who's gonna

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hear it or what they're gonna say. I

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can edit something. If you don't like it,

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I'll edit it out. That's fine.

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And and you become more confident

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the more you do it. Like, that's that

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is kind of the core of this episode

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is

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I can tell you how far away you

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should be from a microphone,

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but it doesn't actually improve

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what you're delivering.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. It's

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practice makes perfect. And Mhmm.

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You know, perfect is ever evolving and from

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person to person. But,

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we just want you to

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be happy as a podcaster.

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Yeah.

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It shouldn't be a stressful thing.

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No. There is there is gonna be some

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stress involved that is every facet of life

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at one point or another. You know?

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But that shouldn't be the main thing. The

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the focusing on,

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oh my god. I feel like

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I can't do this or I'm not cut

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out for this or, you know,

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it's there's a difference between

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having

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low confidence as a new podcaster

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and still doubting yourself, you know,

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six years in.

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You gotta let go sometimes.

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Yeah. And

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here's a here's a trick for you.

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If you're recording by yourself or even if

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you're recording with other people, just stop and

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do it over again. We've done that. It's

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so easy.

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Just like, I messed that up. Let me

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just redo that. We'll we'll we'll cut it

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out and replace it. No worries. And that's

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also a confidence booster because you can be

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like, okay. I know where I messed up,

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So now I'm gonna try again.

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And, like, that just do that. It doesn't

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have to be perfect on the first take.

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If it is, great. If not,

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just do it again. Move forward.

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Don't overthink it. Don't second guess, and trust

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your gut. Yeah.

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You

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know, there's a there's also something

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that

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I was doing the other day with some

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friends, and I was like, oh, this might

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help some people.

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I just send my friends voice notes. Like,

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we there's there's, like, a handful of friends

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that, like,

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especially if there's, you know,

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we're just, like,

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hey, I need a life update.

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I'm just gonna send you guys a ninety

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second voice note as opposed to typing all

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of this out because, like, also, you know,

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my friend lives a thousand miles away.

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I wanna hear their voice every once in

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a while. That's not necessarily a phone call.

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Yeah. That might be good for for people

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to do as a podcaster.

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That's actually really cool. I had never thought

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about that at all. It's just fun. I'm

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like, okay. I have a lot of information

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to tell, and I could,

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just word vomit this in a fun way

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as opposed to trying to type this out.

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So give it a try. Yeah. Yeah. And

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then and then it's not misconstrued by, what

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do you mean this thing that you said

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that I took it way more personally than

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I should have? Yeah. Exactly.

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Exactly. So just a fun little thing that

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you might wanna try. But if you are

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overall struggling with confidence in your podcast, you

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are not behind, you're probably just early in

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the process of your podcast.

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Yeah. So just keep recording. Keep refining. Keep

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improving. Just keep on keeping on. Yeah. Remember,

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the goal is not to sound perfect. We

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did not sound perfect in this episode, but

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we hope that we did sound clear, helpful,

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and genuine.

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For sure.

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So thanks so much for listening to Podcast

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Insider.

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