Advanced RSS Features: Podcasting 2.0 – PCI 335

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This whole podcasting 2.0 and adding
features to RSS and adding fe, you know,

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basically adding features for podcasters
and listeners through this project.

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It, it has a feeling for me that
this thing is like, brand new Again,

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we were in the beginning of podcasting
and every new little thing was just like,

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oh boy.

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And then Apple came in and it sort
of stopped and everybody just said,

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oh, okay, we'll just go
with Apple. That's easier.

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Now we're starting to push
forward on new features and,

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and things we've always
wanted, and I love it.

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Let's dive in.

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So, Mike,

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today we're gonna talk about advanced
RSS features and a little bit

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about the podcasting 2.0 project.

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And I think what we should first and
foremost talk about is, uh, what,

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what is r s s and why is
it important to podcasting?

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Yeah, it's, uh, it's one of
those things that, you know,

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back when we started Todd, it
was, we were geeks and, uh,

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we sort of learn how it all worked
under the hood. And nowadays,

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you don't have to, but it's good to
know a little bit of history on it.

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There, there is an official name for rss,

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but everybody calls it
really simple syndication,

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and it's an open web standard,

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so it's not necessarily controlled
by any one company or any

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person. Dave Weiner was the guy that
came up with it, uh, for the most part,

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or at least the, uh, RSS 2.0
that we use in podcasting.

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But what's great about it is
being an open web standard,

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it keeps podcasting available
to the masses. Meaning,

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you know, if you've got, you know,

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a few bucks to spend on hosting
a website somewhere, and, uh,

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place to put your files, you can podcast.

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And you're right up there with
some of the, the big guys, uh,

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the big podcasters, you know, back
when broadcasting was the big thing,

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you had to get a lot of permission to,

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to be on broadcast or even cable
and podcasting. You can be anywhere.

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It's awesome.

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. You know, I think there is
some perspective that's important,

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and we don't wanna go too
much into the history,

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but really if we go back to the, to
the beginning when podcasting started,

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there was really no way
to, to be syndicated.

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You could have a website, you
could put stuff online, you know,

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but there was really no syndication
of, of content unless you, you know,

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you signed the contract with one of
those big companies, like you said.

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So there was lots of gatekeepers.
And when podcasting came about,

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blogging was already, uh,
really kicking off big,

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but the podcasting piece to
that really opened up the

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space and allowed people, people
to have syndication of the content.

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In other words,

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it could be really anywhere that
people could consume the content. And,

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you know, apple in 2005 when they brought
podcasting to iTunes, at the time,

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it was quite the watershed
moment. And ever since then,

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the expansion of where podcasts are
available today is because of open r

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s s.

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And we have the ability to be syndicated
where we want and also choose if we

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don't wanna be syndicated someplace,
that's an advantage as well. But, uh,

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again, it's open. No one controls
it, there's no gatekeepers.

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Yeah, that can be good or bad depending
on your perspective, I'm sure.

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But , you know, for,

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for us that like to podcast
as a hobby or as a way to make

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some money or as a way to get
your message out there, you,

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you're not as easily stopped as if you
were doing a YouTube channel. You know,

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Google can decide if you're
doing a YouTube channel,

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they can decide one day that, uh, we
don't want you on here anymore. Poof,

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you're gone.

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r s s allows really you to be in control
of your content and own and build

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your brand. So over the years,

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podcasting has not really moved
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R s s 2.0 spec. Now, apple
introduced, uh, number of features,

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we're gonna call them features
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people's eyes are gonna glaze over.
So did Google and a few others,

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and they, they introduced things that
basically the technical term is they,

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they created their own
namespace and nothing else
really happened this space for

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many, many, many, many years.
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one of the pod fathers of podcasting,

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Adam Curry got connected up with a
gentleman by the name of Dave Jones,

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and they wanted to build a new
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basically the master location
for really for everything, uh,

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for all shows. It's an open project.

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And what the beauty of it is,

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is that directory really
expanded into a project to add

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features to r s s,

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and many of those features can be seen
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again, is the repository of all podcast.

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There's no longer just Apple
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of, of podcasting, and there's
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the Apples is a curated list,

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whereas the directory of
podcast@podcastindex.org really is,

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is everything and even contains shows
that have music and have right of other

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type of content.

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Yeah. And it's not just shows that
are over there, you know? Right.

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Think of podcasts as shows,
but you know, again, you know,

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they've got bands over there, uh,

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indie bands that are
releasing albums as podcast,

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meaning each song is an episode
of that podcast. And, you know,

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that's kind of a, a new thing distributing
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video podcasting has been
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but it also covers a lot of that.

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And there's classes that some professors
do that aren't necessarily podcasts,

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but are distributed that way.

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And that's the beauty of having
this directory of basically

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anything you wanna find in podcasting.

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And it's available to app developers.

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So if someone wants to
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they can use the catalog at
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index.org,

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and they can populate their app with
everything or something they can

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pick and choose and curate their own list.

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So we have adopted a bunch of
the new features that are coming

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out of Podcasting 2.0,

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and there's being a link in the show
notes to our introduction page to

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Podcasting 2.0.

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And I don't want people to get too wrapped
up in the weeds in really the tech,

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but we just wanna talk about
some of the features. And again,

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these are new features that are
coming to a variety of apps that are

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now starting to show up
over@podcastapps.com.

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They're adding some of these new features,

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and we are on definitely on the leading
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So now,

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one of the features that we
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transcript features the ability
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a trans, if you're a
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have a transcript created by our
partner and it automatically be

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attached in your r s s feed.

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And this gave us the
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on, uh,

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individual's websites to show either the
transcript tag or if you have a closed

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caption capable file like
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you'll actually get closed
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making your podcast more accessible.
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again, a born out of the
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decided we needed to have the
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because oftentimes the transcripts
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and it just was clunky
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Stuck in, stuck in the MP3 file in
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you know, right. It's not, not a
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So there's again, a
whole host of features,

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but two of them that I'm excited about
that I've been playing around with,

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um, one of them is called Live Item. Now,

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not every podcaster is
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and you may, maybe you're
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or maybe you wanna do
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but if you ever decide that you
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you have the ability to announce via
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be going live. And when you do go live,

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so that apps that support
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they commonly refer to it as Lid,
your lid, your show is a lid.

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It will allow the apps to
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your content to your listeners on demand
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but flip to this,

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this live setting so that they
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Uh, some of the folks that are going live
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Shoutcast is the type of, uh.

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Icecast is.

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Another one, Icecast Shoutcast
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And then some folks are doing
live video and they're using,

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and this gets a little technical using
maybe a re streaming service with an

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HLS output. So anyways, again,

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it's a little more technical and it's
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a Facebook Live with your webcam. Uh,
there's a little more involved in that,

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but at least what happens is you decided
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the, the technical side of, of going live.

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You have the ability then to keep your
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they're consuming podcast. And
it's, it's been really, really cool.

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And we've seen a great, uh,

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reaction to it because they
get a notification just
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episode being posted. And, you know,

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such and such show is live able to click
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listen or watch the show live. And, um,

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the goal of the podcasting
2.0 project is, is multifold.

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One is they wanna keep
the listeners in the app.

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Now if your goal is to get 'em over
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that's fine,

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but you also have the ability to keep
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developer that is adding these features.

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And the second part of this is something
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what it does is whenever the
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enabled,

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the app developer actually
gets a percentage of that
value for value earnings.

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Yeah. So like Fountain, an outfit, uh,

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that makes an app that's very
good for value, for value,

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and it's one of the new podcast apps
that are found over@podcastapps.com.

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But Fountain for instance, they
have their own wallet system.

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So you go over there and sign
up for a wallet, you know,

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you as a podcaster would go sign up for
the wallet and then you would put that

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in your settings, in our case
in Power Press or in your, uh,

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blueberry feed settings
for value, for value.

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And when somebody's listening
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there's a few of them that do streaming
satoshi. So you can set like, you know,

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to send 10 satoshis per minute
and a Satoshi is just a,

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a small fraction of Bitcoin, but don't
let that worry you too much. It's a,

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it's basically a way to
transport money around, uh,

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through the Lightning network.

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But what's kind of cool about it is all
the app developers put in a one or 2%

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fee on top of that. And
then like us at Blueberry,

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we take a 3% for developing the
infrastructure for it, and you can,

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you know, do splits and send, you know,

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send some Satoshi's to your guests.

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Or a co-host. You could do a, you
could do a split with a co-host.

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Yep, yep. So, and it's all on a
percentage thing. And, and, uh,

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Dave Jones, the guy that
sort of invented a lot of this, uh,

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or rerouted it anyway, you know, he
has, has a hard time explaining that.

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But basically the podcaster gets, you
know, if you send a thousand Satoshis,

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the podcaster gets a thousand satos,

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but there are some fees that are on
top of that. So if you send a thousand,

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you might send you, you know, it
might actually end up being say.

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Nine 70 or something like that. Yeah.

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Yeah. It'll be something
like that. And, you know,

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then it's good for the whole ecosystem
because there's money flying around,

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you know, even if it's, uh, you know,
very small amounts of money. I mean,

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think of thousands of
Toshi might be a quarter.

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Yeah. It's like 25 cents. Yeah.

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Yeah. It's not super big, but
it's super motivating. I know, I,

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I do a show with value for
value o on it and, uh, you know,

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I love it when I get, you know, okay,
I, I made 23 cents, but you know what,

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somebody was listening , I
thought that was awesome. You know,

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what's really cool about it,
uh, on top of that is, you know,

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if you wanna boost somebody, so you're,

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say you're listening in Fountain
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any of the apps that cover that you're
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whether it's real time and a live feed
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podcast, you can boost something and
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And a lot of hosts will read those
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thank all their boosters over the
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And it's just a really cool way to
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For me, it's about the engagement.
I've never seen engagement as high.

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You see again, well maybe
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and there's this whole lingo that is
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So when Mike says Boost, the actual
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Because it's a boost with a
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you may not be in favor or
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you can use your debit
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$20 worth of Satoshi's, which is again,
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you then have the ability to make
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the high processing fee.

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So I've had a PayPal link on my
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well PayPal's gonna take like 45
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let's say you send them a
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then you're paying like a penny,
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um, to get it sent.

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interactivity from the app directly to the

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podcaster. And again, we're staying
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staying in the app, we
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All this is happening in the app that
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show from. Now, not every
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it's being added slowly to different
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you'll find the apps that
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It really is, like Mike said,
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which is like a quarter, you know,

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most of us wouldn't get too excited
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maybe find a quarter on the street, right?

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or a dollar. And again,
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meaning some people are
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and we see that happening, blueberry
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we're starting to see, and
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very early days cuz it takes
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You have to enable it in your feed,
you have to talk about it on your show.

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at podcast apps.com. It's.

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An education piece to
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Up and all that. But even in the short
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our podcasters have made more than 600,

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now is bringing in a couple hundred
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which we haven't talked
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through these new features
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credits is basically, it's just like
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here's I'm the host, here's
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We'll be adding more features over
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introduction doc. So stay abreast
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Anything further we need to
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remember a few years ago Apple
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but it was by invitation only and it was
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never really went any
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now you can start doing that and that
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several apps, and you
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with the credits you can do it
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me and Mackenzie as the
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we'd have a producer and so on and
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we can actually put that guest also in
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that, that's pretty cool.

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it and Podcast Index is working on
it does cross app comments. They,

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they don't have it quite worked out how
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is you'll be able to comment
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and everybody that's in those apps
that use Cross App comments can

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see those comments and comment back
regardless of what platform that they're,

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you know, normally chatting on, you know,

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like Mastodon and Twitter
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the app. That's something
that we've never had before.

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It used to be you'd have to come to Apple
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Twitter to comment on a post or you go
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post and, and whatever.
This will consolidate that
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that's something that's on
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But suffice to say that this whole
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to RSS and adding fe you know,

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basically adding features for podcasters
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it, it has a feeling for me that
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we were in the beginning of podcasting
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oh, okay, we'll just go
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forward on new features and,

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and things we've always
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You know, one of the things that as,

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as a hosting provider we've ran into
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advertiser come to us and say,
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And one of the cases was in France,
how many French podcasters do you have?

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we don't ask you where you
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And we've had other deals come
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we need somebody in in Kansas. You know,
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So I was really had
never had the ability to,

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unless I sent out an email to all
of you saying, Hey, where, where,

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where do you live? If you live in this
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You set your location for your show and
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the apps to know where
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it's also a great thing for us so that
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Boise, Idaho, we have the ability
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how many shows list Boise or
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we've got a,

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an advertiser that wants to advertise
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We have the ability to reach you in a
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we've been big on privacy
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is the way we set the system up. We didn't
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the ability for me to say, Hey, let's,

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let's help this podcaster
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the app developers are able to
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So this is some of the things that
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podcasting 2.0. It helps keep podcasting
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And again, it allows, as Mike said,

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for innovation in the
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I'm as like Mike having a great time with
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18 plus years. Uh, Mike, you've been
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collectively when we're both excited,
I think that saying something,

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and it helps with alternative funding
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money through advertising. We wanna
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through Pat Patreon, buy
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But this value for value thing
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the most exciting part about
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I get hu I get engagement from
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I've never got before. And the reason
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they can engage you from the app.
They don't have to go to email,

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they don't have to go to Twitter,
they don't have to go to Facebook,

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they just send a boost with that
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I agree with you or I
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or thanks for doing the show
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carry the day in motivating and
continue to do your podcast.

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So I think that's part of the reason why
podcasting two point is super important

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for the podcasting space and
for you as a content creator.

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Yeah, and uh, like I said, just keep
watching, uh, this podcast on uh,

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podcast insider.com and uh,

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other places for new features coming out.

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And if you find a feature that you
don't have that you might want,

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let somebody know and uh, we can
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that's the other thing about this
project is it's an open project. So,

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you know, suggestions are, uh, are
taken. I think we about covered it.

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What do you think, Todd?

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I think so too. So, uh, again,
just go to blueberry.com,

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search Podcasting 2.0,

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search Bar and you'll get all the details
on how to implement it within your own

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shows else.

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Thanks for joining us. Let's meet
up next week. And in the meantime,

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